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Top Santorum Aide Outed As Gay
San Luis Obispo Tribune ^
| 7/15/2005
| Steve Goldstein
Posted on 07/16/2005 12:12:46 PM PDT by gopgen
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To: Concerned; nmh
This guy's going a little far with the attacks. I agree with you all the way. (And was really grossed out recently by two heteros going at it in front of me--in the grocery store, no less. Though they do keep it really cold in there!)
I say you walk away. He doesn't seem really stable.
681
posted on
07/18/2005 11:36:02 AM PDT
by
pa mom
To: MEGoody; Badray
MEGOODY WROTE TO BADRAY: "Indeed, so please tell me where the Senator ever said that homosexuals didn't have the right to have jobs. Remember, this individual was 'outed' against his will. He was keeping his sexuality secret
(as it should be in the workplace). Someone else forced the information out into the open."
EXACTLY! What someone does in the BEDROOM has NO BUSINESS being discussed in the workplace!
682
posted on
07/18/2005 11:44:44 AM PDT
by
Concerned
(My Motto: It's NEVER wrong to do what's RIGHT!!!)
To: nmh
Defending a homosexual when you claim to be AGAINST their life style choice is disgusting when it BENEFITS you. Wow...not only petty, but proud. Surely you have more sense than this?
683
posted on
07/18/2005 11:50:53 AM PDT
by
gogeo
(Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
To: Concerned; MEGoody
To put my post into context for the both of you with the highlighted portion setting up what you addressed:
"Besides all the foolish PC rules that override common sense these day, hiring for positions in the areas of religion and politics should be free of 'don't ask, don't tell' type rules. You are propogating a set of beliefs, why shouldn't you be able to be sure that you hire someone who is aligned with you and reject those who aren't?"
What I am saying is that in certain situations, such as religious organizations, political hiring, and jobs in the area of national security, your private life is important. And trying to keep an immoral, illicit, or bizarre lifestyle secret may subject that person to undue outside pressure in order to keep that secret. It's called blackmail. And not all blackmailers want money. Influencing legislation would be a huge payoff, wouldn't it?
684
posted on
07/18/2005 12:02:41 PM PDT
by
Badray
To: Badray
hiring for positions in the areas of religion and politics should be free of 'don't ask, don't tell' type rulesI can agree in areas of religion, but not about politics. Otherwise, the 'family values' guys are going to have to be policing their young, single staff members to be sure they aren't fornicating with other young, single members of the opposite sex. I mean, how far do we go in requiring our Senators to police the personal lives of their staffers?
Nah, as adamantly opposed to the homosexual agenda as I am, I do not think it fair to fire someone who was 'outed' through no fault of their own.
685
posted on
07/18/2005 12:17:20 PM PDT
by
MEGoody
(Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
To: nmh
To: Soul Seeker
Just curious, do you consider Cheney a 'traditional' conservative? Pete Williams is now the legal correspondent for NBC News. Before that, he was the Pentagon spokesman when Cheney was SofD. Before that, he was Press Secretary for Rep. Cheney. Pete Williams is also gay. I think libs should get over their conservative-phobia.
687
posted on
07/18/2005 12:49:52 PM PDT
by
gogeo
(Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
To: nmh
Think Christ would employ a non repentant homosexual as one of His disciples? I doubt it. Christ didn't employ women as disciples either...and your point is?
688
posted on
07/18/2005 1:27:19 PM PDT
by
gogeo
(Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
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Comment #690 Removed by Moderator
To: linkinpunk
My point is that even with all of God's love at his disposal, the creator of the universe still cannot pull everyone out of that lifestyle. Perhaps He loves us so much he gave us the freedom to choose and sometimes we choose wrong.
691
posted on
07/18/2005 5:20:06 PM PDT
by
scripter
(Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
To: cavanman
"Good point, that! Insofar as he knew that being loyal to a colleague would no doubt start this very type of firestorm...Valorous behaviour like this is when one takes actions that one knows will be detrimental to their standing in the comunnity, but takes that action anyway... Santorum had to have been aware that some in our 'community' would react adversely, but he chose not to be dishonourable."
Thank you, very well said.
The dishonor--and illogic, and true hypocrisy--from our community has been right here on this thread.
One person in particular has been screaming HYPOCRITE! about Santorum because he has spoken out against gay marriage...BUT REFUSES TO FIRE THIS GAY GUY NOW!
Yeah, I don't get it either. I don't think I recall Santorum saying gay people shouldn't have jobs, should be marginalized, etc.
Another person got hysterical when I wouldn't buy into the "changed homosexual" "movement"--you know, the "scientific proof" that gays can change to straight, if they're really motivated?
It was an interesting thread, till this ignorant minority came around. Anyway, I'll be answering them soon...just when they think it's over. I can't say they'll look like idiots (I mean, that would be redundant), but they ain't gonna like it. Stay tuned.
And thanks again.
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To: John Robertson
OOOH,I backed out, idiots hurt my head. (I have three kids and three dogs and one husband, between the nine of us, someone is always being an idiot around here.)
694
posted on
07/18/2005 5:30:58 PM PDT
by
pa mom
To: vic heller
Wow, he has (had, one died) seven children. Good beard his wife makes!
695
posted on
07/18/2005 5:32:43 PM PDT
by
pa mom
To: vic heller
Thank you, Vic. That explains everything. He IS the hypocrite nmh says he is: He's really gay.
Do you chug kool aid from your tinfoil hat, or just slug straight from the jug?
To: pa mom
Hope you don't think I thought you were one of the idiots. As I recall, we were pretty much in agreement on most aspects of this. I may have even defended you. Perhaps we're both gay.
Did you see where this vic guy said Santorum was gay? Yeah, that's it!
To: nmh
Ah, you missed the obvious flaw - Your glaring hypocrisy as well as flawed logic. There is nothing normal about being a homosexual. Nothing. What they want is precisely what you are giving them - acceptance and ignoring the fact that they are emotionally disturbed. It's been shown that they are physically/and or emotionally abused. So they do nearly anything to get acceptance and ideally elevated to positions of authority. They crave this. It's so sad ... they are so desperate for peace in their life. Yet they say in that lifestyle by CHOICE and they don't have peace. To help these people is to help them overcome it - not exploit them for self betterment as Santorum is doing in private and publically claim he is against it. If you don't stand for something, which describes Santorum, you'll fall for anything. He is not a principled man so I am not amazed that he privately endorses this man's lifestyle choice. Santorium lives in Virginia. He claims a residency in Pa. His kids live with him in Va.. The Pa school district PAYS for his kids to be taught in Va. via distance learning at TAXPAYER expense. He knows that's wrong and Pa. is NOT his primary residence but that doesn't bother him. He explains that away with "I'm a family man". Well so are others but they don't play residency games and have others foot the bill. This is typical of Santorum. He claims one thing and does the opposite in private. Some people do have contrary beliefs: "Your second fault is that you don't believe that people can hold contradictory beliefs. The fact is, most people do." Most don't and if they do it is called HYPOCRISY. It's not my fault that you and others have this dilemma. I believe you need to clean up your logic and be consistent. The truth is some don't show it but ALL want acceptance. They don't like "being in the closet". Others are more in your face about it. Don't fool yourself - this "top staffer" just had a burden removed from him. BY choice or not, it is a relief for him. Imagine trying to hide this and function like a normal person ... he's a VERY troubled gay person. Maybe it's a joke between him and Santorum ... but a gay male isn't against homosexual rights. They want them as next as the radical gay. Who knows! Maybe ole Santorum is a switch hitter - yeah Mr. Family Values _ LOL!!! If you want to join his hypocrisy bandwagon - go ahead!LOL! Having a bad day?? Who pee'd in your cheerios???
698
posted on
07/18/2005 5:50:26 PM PDT
by
nobdysfool
(Faith in Christ is the evidence of God's choosing, not the cause of it.)
To: John Robertson
No, we basically agreed. Avoid the parades, the silly costumes and the public groping, don't tell us, mind your own business and we'll mind ours.
And Rick Santorum gay? Then maybe I am. I did live with a woman once. . . We didn't have sex, but you never know.
699
posted on
07/18/2005 6:34:52 PM PDT
by
pa mom
To: pa mom
Yeah.
Did you see where nmh is suggesting Santorum is a "switch hitter"?
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