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UK: Far right and football gangs plot 'revenge'
Guardian ^ | 07/15/05 | Hugh Muir

Posted on 07/14/2005 5:42:58 PM PDT by Pikamax

Far right and football gangs plot 'revenge'

Police monitor anti-Muslim websites Hugh Muir Friday July 15, 2005

Guardian Plans by an alliance of rightwing extremists and football hooligans to exact "revenge" on Muslims after last week's bomb attacks are being monitored by police.

The Guardian has learned that extremists are keen to cause widespread fear and injury with attacks on mosques and high-profile "anti-Muslim" events in the capital.

Football hooligans communicating over the internet have spoken of the need to put aside partisan support for teams and unite against Muslims. Hooligans from West Ham, Millwall, Crystal Palace and Arsenal are among those seeking to establish common cause.

As part of wider plans to generate a backlash, rightwing groups such as the Nationalist Alliance and the National Front are said to be planning marches. Extremists hope to hold a march along Victoria Embankment in London tomorrow.

It is also known that many mosques have received bomb threats since the attacks.

Attempts by the right to make capital out of the tragedy have created a powderkeg. Already extremist Islamist websites have told Muslims to be ready to retaliate.

The BNP has sought to capitalise on the atrocities by reproducing a picture of the bombed No 30 bus with the headline "Maybe Now It's Time To Listen To The BNP" in its byelection literature in Barking, Essex.

The tactic prompted cross-party condemnation. Though it was designed to increase support for the far-right, many believe the message may have been too crass and too badly timed to work. The party does, however, enjoy some support in the area.

Gerry Gable, of the anti-fascist organisation Searchlight, said: "There is no doubt that the far-right are playing this for all they think it is worth. If you look at the BNP website there's Nick Griffin saying 'be calm' and other material saying 'don't get angry, get even!'"

He added: "These things should be taken seriously. One site, Blood and Honour, had a posting about a mosque in the Wirral and soon after the mosque was hit. Soon after, the posting was taken down."

The police have pledged to crack down on any attempts to provoke division in the aftermath of the bombs. Members of Scotland Yard's independent advisory group have been asked to liaise with borough commanders in the capital to reassure the public and make sure the police carry out their pledges. The Met has said from the outset that the bombs were an attack on all communities and that none should be scapegoated.

The synergy between rightwing extremists and football hooligans is not new. Throughout the 1980s, some of the biggest clubs in Britain were plagued by notoriously violent and racist followers.

Though virtually all clubs have since challenged the behaviour of extremist fans, and almost all now belong to the Kick Racism Out of Football initiative, violent followers continue to communicate with each other and supporters from other clubs to engineer confrontations.

The prospect of the opening day Championship fixture between Leeds and Millwall in August is already causing concern.


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KEYWORDS: koranimals; londonattacked; paybackisabitch; soccer
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To: papertyger; commonasdirt

Common, face it, you blew your argument the first time you invoked the Nazis (klan, fascists, and other typical liberal-slung arguments).

I am not in favor of a rabid mob indiscriminately targeting an entire community simply because they look the same, pray in the same place, think the same way, pack explosives together, hoard subway and bus route maps, and believe the death of the west is a good thing. No, I cannot be that rash. I will not be that rash. It is wrong, wrong I say, to support a gang of thugs who believe that just because someone thinks differently, they deserve to be tortured, killed, driven from their homes, and wiped out. As for the football hooligans....

But seriously. From an ocean away, the hooligans seem rash, dangerous, and a bit crazed - just like I was on 9/11, and just like I feel every time I drive past the storefront mosque on my way downtown and wonder what they may be planning in there, and why they haven't done a f***ing thing to distance themselves from these actions. How about a simple, "not in our name", like the liberals are so fond of doing? How about some sympathy for the infidels who get killed and injured, and not just the "innocents" (read: Muslims).

There's not a thing I can do to stop the hooligans. I hope they know when to quit, and I hope they're prepared for the inevitable backlash. It's gonna be ugly, and it's probably going to speed up the Islam vs West timetable by about three years.


141 posted on 07/14/2005 9:42:08 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living affront to Islam since 1959)
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To: papertyger

I have had a long day. Here in the usual temperate Great Lakes area it hit nearly 90 deg fahr today. It is now a lovely 70 deg. Time to check my lottery ticket. Anyway I will think on your query, when the sweetness of daylight occurs. Thanks.


142 posted on 07/14/2005 9:49:57 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: righttackle44; All

You know what that so true I am Raider fan I became Raider fan when they move to LA back in 1980s Raiders suck in those days they still do with 3 to 10 record but all I remember about Raiders games are fights in LA Colseium the game suck on the field you could always count on good fights in the stand


143 posted on 07/14/2005 9:54:51 PM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in, it for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear

"There is no point in arguing with the committed fascists.
I hereby invoke Godwin's Law.

You lose."

Not really since the topic of conversation is in fact right wing hooligan groups such as Combat 18 (which is actually named after Adolf Hilter). The article mentions the National Front and the BNP which by their own admission are neo-nazi organisations.

I'd be interested to hear why you think it is unreasonable to mention fascism and the Nazis in this context.


144 posted on 07/14/2005 10:27:21 PM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: Dave Elias
You may note that I passed over the early mentions of Hitler and Nazism without comment. It was the poster's accusation that everyone on the thread who disagreed with him was a "committed fascist" that tipped the balance, IMHO.
145 posted on 07/14/2005 10:35:58 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear ("It's pointless to keep fighting. Why, Mr. Anderson? Why? Why do you persist?""Because I choose to.")
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To: Pikamax

Hmmm… the Liverpool Football Club has a slogan “You’ll Never Walk Alone”. I always took that as a sign of camaraderie. Based on the news, perhaps it works well in other ways. Maybe the subject of the song is being warned that his kneecaps are about to be broken…

RG


146 posted on 07/14/2005 11:39:54 PM PDT by RippinGood
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To: righttackle44

Forget fans - let's send them the Pacers and the Pistons.


147 posted on 07/14/2005 11:50:42 PM PDT by MitchellC (Foolishness isn't a mental disorder.)
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To: AmishDude

The bomb factory is doors down from the mosque these chaps prayed at...you dont have to be a rocket scientist.


148 posted on 07/15/2005 12:01:19 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: kalee

bookmark


149 posted on 07/15/2005 12:01:28 AM PDT by kalee
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To: Pikamax

Consider the source. The leading communist paper in the UK. I'd suggest they have a vested interest in creating bogeymen.


150 posted on 07/15/2005 12:04:29 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Pikamax

British HX text, circa: 2020. Page 1: "Our empire was saved from destruction, not by our spineless government, but by ordinary patriots who rose up in unison to squash the Muslim invasion which was supported by Blair the appeaser. Praise be to God for the soccor 'houligans' who saved the nation".


151 posted on 07/15/2005 12:08:57 AM PDT by mysonsfuture
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To: JimRed

Build the camps on the falklands


152 posted on 07/15/2005 12:11:43 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: kalee

Why can't we be like Nepalis?


153 posted on 07/15/2005 12:12:37 AM PDT by John78
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To: commonasdirt

Blah, Blah, Blah. Who said anything about "klan-like" behavior? This is a world wide war for survival. Period. We must be willing to fight in order to avoid being killed. If this sounds "klan-like", go talk to a world war II vet before they die about reality.


154 posted on 07/15/2005 12:13:45 AM PDT by mysonsfuture
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; commonasdirt
Ah, but in so doing you violated Quirk's exception: "Intentional invocation of this so-called 'Nazi Clause' is ineffectual."

FReep on, mein Herr!

155 posted on 07/15/2005 12:14:29 AM PDT by jayhorn (when i hit the drum, you shake the booty.)
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To: Pikamax

Well, BNP, National Front, Combat 18 etc. are viciously anti-American in addition to their views on Muslims. It all goes back to the grand Jewish Conspiracy in these people's mind.


156 posted on 07/15/2005 12:15:09 AM PDT by Truthsayer20
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To: Pikamax
As part of wider plans to generate a backlash, rightwing groups such as the Nationalist Alliance and the National Front are said to be planning marches. Extremists hope to hold a march along Victoria Embankment in London tomorrow.

Why is it when people stand up to Muslims they are the ones branded as right wing extremists?

157 posted on 07/15/2005 12:16:41 AM PDT by NRA2BFree
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To: 10mm

Damn good point.


158 posted on 07/15/2005 12:17:19 AM PDT by mysonsfuture
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To: jayhorn
The most dangerous hooligans come from the lower division clubs. They have more to be angry about!

Football hooligans are far crazier than any Muslim.

It's going to happen. The leadership at least is very well organised, patient and focussed. I don't agree with them but I can uderstand why they want action. Tony Blair needs to come down like a hammer on the muslims.
159 posted on 07/15/2005 12:19:48 AM PDT by pau1f0rd (Still more majestic shalt thou rise, More dreadful from each foreign stroke.)
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To: BurbankKarl
The bomb factory is doors down from the mosque these chaps prayed at...you dont have to be a rocket scientist

Who are you to assume the obvious?

160 posted on 07/15/2005 12:22:32 AM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. – Frederick Douglass)
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