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To: tonycavanagh
They were meant to be identified as British born Muslims so that we would blame the whole Islamic community in Britain, attack it. And so allow the Islamics to widen there recruitment to there perverted cause.

I don't disagree with this statement. The idea is to terrorize. What if what you suggest is true, about the desire to widen recruitment? Is this a deterrent to deploying internment camps, or is it a solemn reminder of their practical purpose? You didn't ask for the war, but it came to you. You can't wish it away. That's the way war works.

But you're avoiding my question: why can't the UK just let people speak their minds on this subject? If it comes right down to it, it might be that family and that job at stake. There might come a day when you want to say something that isn't approved by those in the main stream political parties. Who will be there to protect you if you don't stand up for the BNP opposition's right to speak its mind? I'll tell you who: no one. You'll be rounded up and locked down for uttering so much as a peep against the current government.

Ideas should stand or fall on their own. The right to associate with others in private, and the right to communicate ideas -- any ideas, should be something Brits defend, not attack. They don't come from the government, as I've tried to say. These are created in us by God. They're inborn rights: the right to speak freely, and the right to self-defense.

The voice you hate today, and want to silence, may be tantamount to your own tomorrow.

7 posted on 07/15/2005 3:12:11 AM PDT by John Filson
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To: John Filson
The BNP are hypocrites and traitors. They are the heirs of Oswald Mosley whom Winston sensibly had thrown in prison for the duration of the war.

As for being hypocrites, they're not particularly interested in terrorism - I have a long memory, and I remember this

Under Griffin's control, the National Front supported Libya's Colonel Gadaffi and Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini. Griffin visited Tripoli in 1988 at Gadaffi's expense to look for funding from the Libyan regime.

To conclude, any opposition the BNP has to Muslims now is based on opportunism rather than conviction. They are random thugs who seek to legitimise street violence by suggesting they're really part of the political process. Their previous behaviour shows they're nothing but traitors, which is their heritage.

Sit way back in the room, now, if you'd be so kind.

Ivan

8 posted on 07/15/2005 3:16:23 AM PDT by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: John Filson
re :why can't the UK just let people speak their minds on this subject.

People do speak there mind, it is when people incite others to violence which is wrong.

Be it the Inmans or be it the BNP.

Yes there is political correctness in this country, there is also a strong anti political correctness.

We are a robust and I mean robust democracy which will still be here when you, I, and Osmar are rotting in our graves.

So just to reiterate we are not being jailed for speaking out minds.

The papers are full of condemnation of the Bombing from the left, Right, Christan, Jew Muslim.

What is not allowed is the encouragement of violence.

And we should go after all those who encourage it, in the Mosques as well as on the street, or will that offend your principles of free speech.

Going to ask you a question now John, what do you think we should do and how will it effect the global war on the terrorists.

14 posted on 07/15/2005 4:04:09 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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