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Joseph Wilson Calls on Bush to Fire Rove [barf alert]
WashPost ^ | 7-14-05 | AP

Posted on 07/14/2005 5:41:16 AM PDT by OXENinFLA

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To: Howlin

Maybe .. Maybe not


101 posted on 07/14/2005 9:02:20 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Mo1

Well, if I'm not back in a few minutes, call 911.


102 posted on 07/14/2005 9:03:09 AM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: OXENinFLA

How about this... instead of firing Rove, maybe we should ask Goss to fire Plame/Wilson for gross dereliction of duty.


103 posted on 07/14/2005 9:04:59 AM PDT by kevkrom
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To: Pukin Dog
He already has gone down. He cant get a job in Washington, which is why he lied as a favor to John Kerry. He was hoping for a job in a Kerry Administration.

I was hoping for something a bit more...........painful. ;)

104 posted on 07/14/2005 9:08:22 AM PDT by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: Howlin

"Confidentiality agreement?

Well, that goes right along with what we said yesterday, that perhaps Joe didn't have his "What I Didn't Find" article vetted by the CIA when he published it."

This is where the Wilson's screwed up IMHO.

Those reports IRT Niger Uranium were gleaned from HUMINT which means they should have been compartment within an SCI(Top Secret) program. They are compartmented to protect the source and have special security rules. By giving Joe Wilson access to the information without "reading him in" to the program is a serious security violation. When Joe wrote his Op ed piece it became double serious.

Since Joe hadn't worked for the Government in several years it is questionable whether he still maintained an active clearance with the required 5 year background investigation. After reading the timeline, it looks like they "shotgunned" this trip. He was nominated and on a plane to Niger almost immediately. Could they have forgotten to check his clearance and read him into the program in the rush?

I hope the Grand Jury is looking at this...


105 posted on 07/14/2005 9:17:10 AM PDT by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: All
Hey, all of you though be thrilled at what Wilson is doing. Just as Rush mentioned yesterday, the Dems are afraid. They are pulling out all the stops, because they know they cannot beat Rove. A quick clue: Democrats don't want Rove fired. What they have wanted all along, is his security clearance. Ask yourselves why. I might post another rant on it if yall don't figure it out.
106 posted on 07/14/2005 9:22:29 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: MamaLucci
Oh, but it IS painful to Wilson, who enjoys hanging out with the elites, but no longer has the cash or the status to do so.
107 posted on 07/14/2005 9:24:41 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Texas Songwriter
Click here

There are appx six people in the entire country with the last name "Plame". Interestingly, our "covert" friend, Valerie Plame, is listed with several current and former addresses.

108 posted on 07/14/2005 9:42:42 AM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: rwfromkansas
Hmmm....this is Valerie Plame's e-mail address (or was): jvwilsoniv@cs.com Actually, that looks like Joseph Wilson's e-mail.....

Yes. That is the email address that Valerie Plame Wilson used on the webpage that Cautor found (http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Polonnoye/PolList.htm).

That's the email address that has her hubby's name and intial and says he is "The Fourth" Joseph Wilson (iv)

Question: is the other "V" in the email address for his middle initial, or her initial, or what? I think his middle initial is "C."

109 posted on 07/14/2005 10:02:28 AM PDT by syriacus (Which flag does Joe Wilson pledge allegiance to?)
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To: Texas Songwriter
Does anyone out there know any person named Plame?

According to Ancestry.com Plame is a surname. According to Google, Plame means "lime" in French. (If I used the translator correctly).

110 posted on 07/14/2005 10:06:57 AM PDT by syriacus (Which flag does Joe Wilson pledge allegiance to?)
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To: Steve_Seattle
Since the Dems are so very anxious to have Rove fired NOW, BEFORE the grand jury has finished its investigation, I can only conclude they believe the investigation will exonerate Rove of any criminal culpability.

Excellent point.

111 posted on 07/14/2005 10:09:09 AM PDT by syriacus (Which flag does Joe Wilson pledge allegiance to?)
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To: Texas Songwriter

If you go to the genealogy search engine linked below and put in Plame for a last name, you will turn up several hits on that name, including one for an individual named Valerie Plame.

http://www.genealogy.com/allsearch.html


112 posted on 07/14/2005 10:15:09 AM PDT by Cautor
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To: Wristpin; ravingnutter; Mo1; kcvl; Shermy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1442639/posts?page=105#105

See that post; do you all think Wilson had security clearance when he went to Niger -- or when he wrote that "What I Didn't Find in Africa?" Think he had it vetted before it went to press?


113 posted on 07/14/2005 10:17:33 AM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: Howlin
See that post; do you all think Wilson had security clearance when he went to Niger

I'm betting he didn't have security clearance

He also didn't write up a report when he came back ..

So who wrote up report and who ok'd this trip?

114 posted on 07/14/2005 10:27:31 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Howlin
Victoria Toensing was asking about Wilson's confidentiality agreement with the CIA this morning on Fox & Friends. She didn't seem to think that he was supposed to write anything about his trip if CIA followed protocol. She said that she had to sign a confidentiality agreement whenever she had any dealings with CIA. It sounds like CIA is as dirty as Wilson and Plame.
115 posted on 07/14/2005 10:28:02 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Mo1
Perhaps this all got started because Mr. and Mrs. Wilson were hoping to "out" some good-guy informants.

Perhaps Wilson's lies were published, not so much to discredit Bush, but to get this Administration to contradict Wilson's lies.

Perhaps Wilson and Co. were hoping to glean some information from the Administration's contradictions

Perhaps Joe and Val were hoping to determine which people were the real sources of the true information about Saddam.

BTW, anyone know if the Wilsons are chums with Scott Ritter?

116 posted on 07/14/2005 10:35:51 AM PDT by syriacus (To which flag do Joe and Val Wilson pledge allegiance?)
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To: Howlin

He may have had a current clearance from working with Clinton's staff, But I feel that security procedures were broken here. Like I said in the other posts...Wilson was sent to verify reports gleaned from HUMINT. Any HUMINT information would be compartmentalized in a Special Access Program. Security within these programs have special requirements to keep the sources protected. Any person having access or working within those programs would have a special clearance upgrade and be "read in". The "read in" is where the special handling requirements are briefed and the non disclosure form would be signed by the individual being granted access to the information. When the need to know is over, the individual would be "read out" of the program. Once again the disclosure requirements would be briefedand the individual would sign paperwork agreeing to protect the information.

From the sounds of it he was never "Read in"...and the law was broken.


117 posted on 07/14/2005 10:37:49 AM PDT by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: syriacus

For any interested, go to this genealogy link and search for Plame. Results of the search, however, are only available to subscribers to the site.

http://www.ancestry.com/


118 posted on 07/14/2005 10:44:24 AM PDT by Cautor
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To: Howlin

Wilson has often said he did not sign a confidentiality agreement.


119 posted on 07/14/2005 10:44:53 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: OXENinFLA

President Bush calls on Joe Wilson to go jump in the lake.


120 posted on 07/14/2005 10:48:11 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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