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Posted on 07/13/2005 11:15:06 PM PDT by TexKat
Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba. AP photo
I think it's strange too...
That and the "punching Natalee" story just coming out. You'd think that would have been the first things to come out when there was discussion that it is/could be Joran..
I don't understand why we're hearing some of this stuff just now..?!
Takes a black eye time to develope to. I had one once and it took a good 36 hours for it to start to look like a black eye.
I when hearing this dismissed it as a rumor but now it is being reported publicly, was it Teto? , so it is more plausible.
But it could have been put there by anyone.
BTW I dismiss the idea that Joran hit Nat with a closed fist which I saw evolve into a closed fist on her face in one post. If that happened, I am convinced hell would have broken loose and she never would have gotten near him let alone in a car with him.
IGELLA WERNET, ARUBAN COURT CLERK: "The circumstances under which Natalee Holloway disappeared do justify at this moment the presumption that we can speak of a serious crime. For the suspect, it is incriminating that he was in her company until shortly before her disappearance and that originally he did not tell the truth about what happened."
That's the most ANYONE connected to this case has said before now.
It's a start.
I hope they clear this up. If it turns out to be true,(I'm doubtful), it's serious.
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I agree regarding both the "punch" and the black eye>
Not saying they're not true, just that I'd need more verification since they both seem like odd facts to be appearing this late in the game.
Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive' - Thursday, June 16, 2005 On the Record Transcript
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Take me back to May 30, the time you got the horrible news. How did you hear your daughter was missing? HOLLOWAY: Well, it was May 30. It was around 12 noon, and I had received a phone call from one of the chaperones that Natalee had not shown up with the group to depart their flight. I'm not sure what time their flight was departing, but...
Is this the call?
No, the recorded message call that we were discussing can be found here. Paul van der Sloot's Changing Story - On The Record Transcript Thursday, June 30, 2005
VAN SUSTEREN: During the time that you were talking to Beth at the gas station, did the discussion of that phone call come up again?
C. CROES: Yes, it did.
VAN SUSTEREN: After you and Beth listened to that phone call several times and hung up with the person in the states, what did you do next?
Surely to be able to convince the highway patrolman, friends and family, and to orchestrate getting the private plane so quickly- what was it? Or did these latter events (getting the entourage, plane together) occur because the chaperone called Beth later? Did Beth call the chaperone the moment she got that voicemail? Surely something more leaped out at Beth to get her attention other than a garbled vague VM?
The first call that Beth received regarding Natalee missing was from the chaperone/s while Beth was enroute home I believe. I could be wrong about Beth's destination when she received the phone call from the chaperone/s.
What we gathered from an interview Beth gave approximately a week ago she automatically came to the kidnap conclusion when she received the call from the chaperone.
Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive' - Thursday, June 16, 2005 On the Record Transcript
VAN SUSTEREN: When you received that phone call, did they give you any details about when she was last seen? HOLLOWAY: We really didn't discuss that at that time, and that just really wasn't relevant. I knew that Natalee was not there, and I had to be there, had to be in Aruba that day.
It sounded in an earlier post here like it went to one of the chaperones...?
Your post made me think of a possible new scenario. What if the red jeep-type vehicle actually belonged to the 3 men and two women? Could it be that Urine drugged her, the boys raped her, and Urine left her on the beach FOR THEM TO COME PICK HER UP? And could that be why he's mum, since he'd be an accessory to human trafficking? He'd likely face a colombian necktie himself, if it got out...
Right, like Father like Son......
Believe it would have been mentioned by Beth long before now. Perhaps it was too dark to see a black eye, if Joran kept his face turned a certain way.
Did you hear Mickey Sherman (defense attorney) go on and on about how people change their stories routinely under intense interrogation. He supported Joran on that one.
Alan Colmes is one of those guys, I'd like to reach out and touch through the TV....right upside the head.
We landed about 12:30 p.m. Thursday in Aruba and had 90 minutes to go about three miles to the courthouse for the decision by the judges. That seemed like ample time — or so we thought. As luck would have it, one of our group got stopped at customs. Our "shooter" had to bring so much equipment into Aruba to do our show that customs stopped him and went through everything. It took more than an hour for him to get through and we began to panic. Finally we decided "every man for himself" and left him at customs and went to the courthouse without him. He finally made it through customs and took a cab to meet up with us. Needless to say, we were worried that our sleepless night so that we could get a flight to get to Aruba for the decision was wasted effort. In the end it worked out... but only after putting us in a full-scale panic.
After the decision was issued, we raced to all the lawyers' offices. We talked to two of the lawyers on camera (and showed both interviews last night) and one lawyer would not talk to us on camera — Joran van der Sloot's lawyer. Joran's lawyer was polite and gracious and did speak to us... just not on camera. Incidentally, Satish Kalpoe's usual lawyer is on vacation so his partner who is now handling the case spoke to us. The partner was willing to talk to us because he was a big fan of the show I did at CNN — "Burden of Proof." He said he watched it daily... the only regrettable thing he said was that he was in high school when he watched it making me feel 110 years old.
From the lawyers' offices we raced to the Kalpoe home. We knew they were home (their car was there and there was noise inside the house) but they would not answer the door for us. So we left and raced to the other side of the island to shoot tape of the search with the dogs. We shot that cadaver dog search tape... and then decided to try again getting the Kalpoe family to talk. So we got back in the car and once again raced back to the other side of the island to the Kalpoe house. We could again hear the TV on inside the house but no one answered the door. The Kalpoe brothers' mother has always answered the door to us so we are not sure why she did not yesterday (maybe she was not home... maybe she is sick of us.) Of course we will try again today — we are persistent.
I also called Paul van der Sloot from the car as we raced back and forth all day. When I identified myself, he said, "I have nothing to say" — or something like that — and hung up.
In between all the racing around yesterday, we stopped and checked into our hotel. Unfortunately there is no high-speed Internet capability in the hotel (we could not get back in the Marriott Hotel on this trip — it is booked full) so it was a scramble to get ready for the show and do the blog this morning. After our racing around all day yesterday, I had hoped to prepare for the show in my room. Since there's no high speed, I had to go back to the workspace at the Marriott to log on to our computer system. We have some high security system at FOX that requires a high-speed connection — we can't just dial up in a hotel room.
Thursday night's show started with a surprise for me. I was sitting on our set in Aruba with Beth Holloway Twitty ready go and ready to get the cue to start when suddenly I heard Uma Pemmaraju say, "Hi, I am Uma Pemmaraju sitting in for Greta Van Susteren who has technical problem."
I did not know we had technical problems or that New York had "lost" us. Of course I listened attentively and was happy when I was told, "They have us" — which meant to me that we would not be back in the show. I was momentarily disappointed that we had flown to Aruba on virtually no sleep, worked the entire day and then to think we would not make air. Things like this happen in TV... but in the end it all worked out since our technical problem was limited to a few minutes.
Incidentally, I think the problems were related to the weather here in Aruba. We have a tropical storm warning and it is now raining hard (it was raining intermittently in our show last night.) I am not sure what surprises the weather will bring us today. I do know that we have many projects planned for today which take us outside. Hence don't be surprised if I look like a 'drowned rat' when I do the show tonight.
Friday night we will again be live from Aruba as long as Hurricane Emily cooperates.
Excellent post. The interesting thing here appears to be the timing. As there seems to be no reason to believe that any homicide was premeditated, the perpetrator(s) had a very small time window within which to effectively dispose of the body. I find it difficult to believe that any of these kids could come up with a boat, get the body out to sea, and make sure that it stayed there in the amount of time that they had, all without leaving a trace. I suppose it's possible that they could have buried the body in the sand, and then come back the next day and done a more effective job, again with no witnesses, but that's a bit hard to believe as well. In particular, it seems hard to believe that the perpetrator(s) would have chosen that as their best course at the time. Criminal acts have an internal logic, in that they make sense to the criminal, at least at the time of the crime. That seems lacking in this case. Much of this would make more sense if either JVDS were innocent (of murder, if not of ungentlemanly conduct), and panicked early on, or if Natalee had been abducted and removed from the island.
A red jeep?
Didn't the Sloots have a jeep? Can't remember the color.
I think changing a story after numerous rounds of questioning is not surprising. What is important is how the story is changed and what factors might have influence those changes, other than bad memory or recollection of forgotten material. I know that I have changed the way I tell events based on my mulling over something, or after intense interest.
It doesn't matter if we get hot headed. What are we going to do? Like spill our coffee, get our BP up.
It is amazing to watch rumor change into fact in two posts. What was speculation fifty posts ago becomes fact with new details added.
The fact that LE gives nothing out really fuels the rumor mill.
So Beth got a garbled voice-mail just like one of the MB students got?
Changes in a story which are a matter of details, like was it 230 or 245 or 300 when something happened, are perfectly understandable.
What J does is to say she was buried near the lighthouse one day, she was dropped at the beach on another day, etc. He has given numerous accounts of the evening in question and reportedly sent people on wild goose chases.
It is a game to him, he is enjoying it. People at times seem mystified, saying "what is his motive", they cant seem to square his age and lack of a criminal record with this.
His motive may have been not to kill anyone, but his management of something that night went wrong. Or he may just have had his first kkill of a woman as a sexual predator at the beginning of his career.
"post at rheil world below, obcenities changed."
" to avoid the attention surrounding the house the sloots have been staying at a friend’s home…this is the King family….they are the directors of aruba’s prisons….there is no part of Aruba that is not corrupt….they are all a bunch of aceholes….popa sloot probalby got to walk right into jorn and pass him all kinds of info….such bullshat… "
" the name of the the beheaded man is Heineken, and he DID work at Valero…he was known to run in the drug community….He lived in the city as the “lorenzo†character who also is closely related to the drug industry.,….when the silver car was picked up there were barrels next to it….did anyone say that a barrel was missing? could natalee have been passed off by Jorn to Lorenzo for drug and "
" gambling debts? Did Lorenzo use heineken to get Natalee’s body recently into an incinerator? Lorenzo rapes natalee for a couple of weeks and then kills her, using Heineken to get the girl into the incinerator….later kills Heineken and dumps the body in the grave yard as a sign to the gf…she don’t talk about the money they owe lorenzo…"
" O, Emily…Plese wipe Aruba’s slate clean of all of it’s citizens….there is no corner of Aruba where corruption doesn’t exist…."
" Even Justice Minister Rudy Croes was discovered to have hels three women in his hme as sex slaves…see diario newspaper of 7/14"
Those were the Stayner boys. Steven was killed in a car accident when he was in his early 20's.
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