Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 7

Various News Sources | 7/14/05

[TexKat]

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba. AP photo

[MAWG]

Go away. No one here is interested in arguing with you or anything you have to say.For this thread at least, You are " Freeper Non Grata " We will ignore you from this post forward.

[GarySpFc]

Beth would have confirmed this AND sources close to the case informed El Dario that Joran made a confession, but it wasn't true either.

Correction, it has been reported he made a confession, but shortly thereafter withdrew it.

[theophilusscribe]

Wow . . . That's bad . . . Too bad that friend didn't stay at Natalee's side. Sounds like he knew what was going on . . . But how could he have known that Jvds would be so persistent . . . sigh

[GarySpFc]

To be honest we do not know if it's true. That said, remember C&C's is a very crowded and noisy place, with lots of distractions. Something like this could have taken place and not noticed in all the confusion.

[maggief]

If the confession was withdrawn perhaps that's why the PC doesn't "recognize it."

[GarySpFc]

I have a Glock 23, 40 cal. It actually has more foot pounds of knock down than the 45.

[theophilusscribe]

I realize that. Everything in this case is tentative.

But it just strikes me . . . if there were signs of abusiveness even before they left C&C's . . . I don't know. I just seems to make it more macabre. More neglectful of those with Natalee. Does that make sense?

[MAWG]

Colt Auto. cal. 10mm. , always nearby.

[spectre]

The alleged confession was reported by Jossy Mansur shortly after the beginning of this. Then retracted

Last week, the alleged confession news broke once again by the same Jossy Mansur's reporter.

Once more, it was denied, this time by Joran's attorney. But Mansur is standing by the story.

Did he or did he not make a confession?

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[gopheraj]

Hi Sunny, doing good. Daughter is supposed to get out of the rehabilitation hospital on Saturday, but part of her skull is still out.

I agree with you. No reason to lie at all unless you know (before it gets out) that she was missing.

[GarySpFc]

The following are copies of posts made by one of Natalee's MB friends who was in Aruba:
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Justin T, a Mountain Brook friend of Natalee wrote on SM:

Yes in the interview CC said they had discussing of sex at the bar. BELEIVE me if you knew Natalee you would know that conversation never took place. Not in a million years.

Justin-
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WW writes: Does it surprise you that Natalee approached Joran at the casino?
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Justin T, a Mountain Brook friend of Natalee wrote on SM:

WW she didn't approach him that was misstated. He was at the same table playing and she introduced herself.

No not at all. She was friendly to everyone. Southern manners. But it wasn't like she singled him out. I don't know where your from but in the South we all tend to be pretty open and trusting.

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Question to Justin:

Justin T was the 2 brothers in the bar the night natalee disappeared. i have heard it both ways
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Justin T, a Mountain Brook friend of Natalee wrote on SM:

Myself or no one that I have talked to saw them. But they could of been there and no one would of noticed because they were never around before that night.

Not to introduce yourself to someone at your same table would be considered rude and of poor manners in bama or the South.
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WriteNow writes:

Justin,

the deepak emails say Natalee lost $360 and asked Joran to win some of it back for her. Said he won about $100. Do you know whether that was true or not?
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Justin T, a Mountain Brook friend of Natalee wrote on SM:

From what I am told no that was not true. I think it was actually said she was worried about losing her dads money. Ha that is a joke! What do y'all think we were given money to do. HAVE FUN! Country may know for sure but I find it highly unlikely given the context it was given in.

Justin T, a Mountain Brook friend of Natalee wrote on SM:

What was Natalee like? She is Open,friendly, kind, funny, compasionate, loving, loves to laugh, (Would do goofy funny girly things). love to have a good time. High morals, did not do drugs was far far from promiscuous. Trusting, Was not a big partier or a big drinker. Loved to dance. Had stong compassion and a heart of gold. She would volunteer and babysat two autistic kids.

In addition to that she would tutor other students and was very intelligent obviously.

Justin T, a Mountain Brook friend of Natalee wrote on SM:

W.W.,

I do not have problems with your questions. The pure and simple truth is that many people have come on this board and attempted to imply that Natalee somehow is at fault for what has happened to her. SHE IS NOT! I realize and respect that you have friends on the other side of this horrible situation. As much as certain people would like to make Natalee out as a drunk and a druggie or a slut she is not. You certainly don't see Natalee's picture on websites promoting drinking, gambling, drugs and sex.

And as much as you may not wish to believe it I feel those three know exactly what has happened to Natalee and they are responsible. Just by the pure fact that if they did not see to it that she was safe back at our hotel that night knowing that she was a guest of your island is in my book a crime. They had a primary responsiblity for ensuring her safe arrival back at the hotel.

Natalee would be the first one to offer a helping hand and she trusted too much. I know that something very very unusal happened for her to even get into that car that night. Joran has lied his ass off. I can guarantee you that Natalee did not have a conversaton with him about sex at that bar.

So try as people will Natalee is exactly as we have protrayed her. You don't wish to believe it then that is not my problem.

[GarySpFc]

Ammo for a 10mm must cost an arm and a leg.

[Dark Skies]

You mentioned that Nat might have asthma and use an inhaler. I don't know for a fact, but I have read that rohypnol (date rape drug) has a depressant effect on the respiratory system. Someone suffering from asthma might be particularly vulnerable to the lethal effects of rohypnol. I will do some research and report back.

[spectre]

Well, I would hope that the Americans would quietly take their business elsewhere. My friends are already saying they'd never send their kids there.

They'd get the message. But it won't help find Natalee. :(

[Malichi]

I had a Glock 36 but then I started praying at the altar of John Moses Browning. I've got three different PARA LDA's.
I doc buddy of mine has got a Sig .40 cal that he swears by.
Did you see the thread about Colt's new pistol?

[MAWG]

It's about the same as ammo for a .45.

[GarySpFc]

The alleged confession was reported by Jossy Mansur shortly after the beginning of this. Then retracted
Last week, the alleged confession news broke once again by the same Jossy Mansur's reporter.
Once more, it was denied, this time by Joran's attorney. But Mansur is standing by the story.
Did he or did he not make a confession?

A confession would likely have taken place early in the questioning. However, after realizing the enormity of the corner he had painted himself in, and remembering his father's instructions he likely recanted. That said, we will just have to wait and see what comes out.

[Quilla]

Colt has a new pistol out? I saw a thread yesterday about S&W's 460XVR; can you point me to the Colt thread?

[Malichi]

I'm sorry Quilla, you're right it is Smith and Wesson. My bad. Duh!!!

[TexKat]

Good morning spectre.