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NASA and White House Discuss Early Shuttle Fleet Retirement
spaceref.com ^ | 07/13/05 | Frank Sietzen, Jr. and Keith L. Cowing

Posted on 07/13/2005 5:35:08 PM PDT by KevinDavis

NASA is considering retiring a Space Shuttle orbiter in 2007 and beginning modifications to one Shuttle launch pad at the Kennedy Space Center under a plan now being reviewed at NASA headquarters, according to senior agency sources.

Driving the idea of a phased retirement of the space vehicles are two concerns. The first is a desire for finding new sources of funds to pay for advancement of the President's moon-to-Mars plan. And secondly NASA Administrator Michael D. Griffin's fears of a third Shuttle accident.

A source familiar with Griffin's thinking said he is worried that an age-related malfunction would trigger a Shuttle catastrophe. As a result, the space chief is seeking to retire the individual Space Shuttle orbiters as quickly as possible.

No final decision has been made - but discussions continued as Discovery was being prepared for launch.

The idea of phased Shuttle retirement is being promoted both by planners involved in the ongoing Exploration Systems Architecture Study and the Bush White House. Concern is mounting that delays in the operational status of an Earth-orbit version of the Crew Exploration Vehicle (CEV) and Congressional pressure to keep the Shuttles flying until the CEV is available might result in extension of the Shuttle retirement date beyond the fall of 2010.

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TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; cev; nasa; shuttle; space; spaceshuttle; vse
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Looks like the Hubble repair mission is not in the works.. Oh well...
1 posted on 07/13/2005 5:35:12 PM PDT by KevinDavis
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2 posted on 07/13/2005 5:36:36 PM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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To: KevinDavis

How much would it cost to fly the Shuttle remotely?


3 posted on 07/13/2005 5:38:38 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: KevinDavis

If not I will be greatly disapointed in NASA, retiring the SS is probably a good idea, after a service mission to Hubble.


4 posted on 07/13/2005 5:40:37 PM PDT by jpsb (I already know I am a terrible speller)
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To: Fitzcarraldo; All

More...


5 posted on 07/13/2005 5:41:41 PM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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To: Fitzcarraldo
How much would it cost to fly the Shuttle remotely?

The only reason to fly it is to carry people. There are cheaper ways to get cargo into space.

6 posted on 07/13/2005 5:44:33 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: KevinDavis

Interesting, but they got to get to the Hubble first.


7 posted on 07/13/2005 5:45:45 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: KevinDavis
It will be beyond design life in 2010.


Rockhound from Armageddon:
You know we're sitting on four million pounds of fuel, one nuclear weapon and a thing that has 270,000 moving parts built by the lowest bidder. Makes you feel good, doesn't it?
8 posted on 07/13/2005 5:46:10 PM PDT by Perdogg
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Quick! How old is the car you drive? The shuttle is circa 1981 (its first flight).

The notion that NASA, or for that matter anything gvt related (w/ the possible exceptions of some military hardware) is cutting edge is ludicrous.

Ditto any notion that it is in any way beneficial or cost effective.

Project X: 10- mil. NASA???... and counting.
9 posted on 07/13/2005 5:53:44 PM PDT by Pessimist
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Quick! How old is the car you drive?

My truck is 11 years old and in pretty good shape, but I am not about to drive the AlCan highway with it.

I think shuttle retirement is premature, but planning and production of its replacement are overdue.

10 posted on 07/13/2005 6:01:47 PM PDT by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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"The first is a desire for finding new sources of funds to pay for advancement of the President's moon-to-Mars plan."

Moars? Oh brother. How about a smaller, 21st century technology shuttle?


11 posted on 07/13/2005 6:02:44 PM PDT by Shermy
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How about a smaller, 21st century technology shuttle?

Then every mission would involve a mini shuttle and a heavy launch vehicle. it would probably end up costing us more. We need a replacement for a space truck, not a mini-cooper.
12 posted on 07/13/2005 6:16:14 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Shermy

How about we find a way to control the LaGrange points between the earth and the moon, then go to the moon. Mars is cool and all that, but I think the real advantage is to control space close to the earth first.


13 posted on 07/13/2005 6:17:34 PM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: Fitzcarraldo

Russia flew theirs by remote control. Can be done. The ship is nearly completely automated anyway. How is the progress toward the robotic Hubble mission coming? Haven't heard much.


14 posted on 07/13/2005 6:18:35 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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What ever happened to the Jarvis heavy lift rocket?

Maybe we should fire up the Energiya rocket tooling.


15 posted on 07/13/2005 6:19:39 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (I've always had the 'gift' to see the truth.)
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To: RightWhale

I heard a senior staffer to Milkulski say that it was DOA.


16 posted on 07/13/2005 6:32:06 PM PDT by battlecry
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Yeah, I think so too. We would have heard something by now if they were working on the robots.


17 posted on 07/13/2005 6:36:01 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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It would have cost more to have the robot to fix the hubble then sending the shuttle... I say dump the hubble...


18 posted on 07/13/2005 6:47:08 PM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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To: KevinDavis

The Hubble is nearing the end of its career. The next generation of space telescopes will be even more powerful and useful to science.


19 posted on 07/13/2005 6:50:08 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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Exactly.....


20 posted on 07/13/2005 6:52:44 PM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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