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A Few Thoughts on Karl Rove -Provided For Those Who Are UNcErTaInn Still About Rove
NYT ^ | 7/13/05 | OP-ED

Posted on 07/12/2005 8:32:49 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

Far be it for us to denounce leaks. Newspapers have relied on countless government officials to divulge vital information that their bosses want to be kept secret. There is even value in the sanctioned leak, such as when the White House, say, lets out information that it wants known but does not want to announce.

But it is something else entirely when officials peddle disinformation for propaganda purposes or to harm a political adversary. And Karl Rove seems to have been playing that unsavory game with the C.I.A. officer Valerie Plame Wilson and her husband, Joseph Wilson IV, a career diplomat who ran afoul of President Bush's efforts to justify the invasion of Iraq. An e-mail note provided by Time magazine to the federal prosecutor investigating the case shows that Mr. Rove's aim in talking about Ms. Wilson to Matthew Cooper, a Time reporter, was to discredit Mr. Wilson, perhaps to punish him.

Mr. Wilson had published an Op-Ed article in The Times about being assigned to investigate allegations that Saddam Hussein had tried to buy uranium from Niger - a claim that was popular among the White House and Pentagon officials eager to make the case for war with Iraq. Mr. Wilson said the allegation was unsupported by evidence, and it was later withdrawn, to Mr. Bush's embarrassment.

Before that happened, Mr. Rove gave Mr. Cooper a "big warning" not to "get too far out on Wilson." Mr. Rove said the origins of Mr. Wilson's mission were "flawed and suspect" because, according to Mr. Rove, Mr. Wilson had been sent to Niger at the suggestion of his wife, who works for the Central Intelligence Agency. To understand why Mr. Rove thought that was a black mark, remember that the White House considers dissenters enemies and that the C.I.A. had...

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To: rubeng
I understand that:

1. She had been 'outed' by Aldrich Ames years ago.
2. She had not been a covert agent for close to a decade.

41 posted on 07/12/2005 9:21:52 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: rubeng
The way this law reads to me, it doesn't matter at all whether Roved cited Plame specifically by name.

But that whole question is moot, and the law does not apply because Plame was definitely not a covert agent, and had not been since 1994.

42 posted on 07/12/2005 9:26:41 PM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: cubreporter

If she had kids, she'd be a conservative!


43 posted on 07/12/2005 9:27:29 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: technomage

Somehow......the NYT is involved. Would be as big, or bigger story that Rathergate.

Miller would be "squealing like a stuck pig" (added that for Danny Boy) if it were Rove.

I just hope they don't get away with this crap. I can't stand what the MSM and the Screaming Dimmies are trying to do to this country.


44 posted on 07/12/2005 9:27:45 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: Lancey Howard

" VALERIE PLAME, of all people, HAS BEEN GIVEN A COMPLETE PASS in all of this, and I don't know why. It is my contention that Valerie Plame is the ultimate scumbag in this whole disgraceful fiasco. It will be interesting to find out who her handlers are."

Who in the CIA signed off on Plame's recommendation that her husband, who possessed zero investigative and intelligence bona fides, be given this assignment ?
Maybe after Gregory and Moran have taken Midol and have been given a rasher of Hersheys chocolate, they can be convinced to investigate this.


45 posted on 07/12/2005 9:30:26 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: REDWOOD99

My first thought also. No way I'd go to jail like she has..........must have been a big pile of money thrown her way.


46 posted on 07/12/2005 9:30:46 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: REDWOOD99

:) :) :)


47 posted on 07/12/2005 9:34:45 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever know! :))
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To: Shortstop7

Either that or the source is the one who leaked her the information on the bust in New York and she risks going to jail for a serious offense for a long, long time.


48 posted on 07/12/2005 9:35:32 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: fhayek
If you are going to run with a story, tell the whole story, including the integrity of the sources involved. As usual, the mainstream media missed the point.

Wednesday's opinionjournal.com editorial has a more reality based analysis of the kerfluffle. I'm starting to feel like this thing is going to stick to the rat's shoes for months to come.

49 posted on 07/12/2005 9:38:09 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Fenris6

Either that or she's hiding an embarrassing source that will unequivocaly 'out' them as anti-American.


50 posted on 07/12/2005 9:39:01 PM PDT by rvoitier (25% of traffic fatalities involve a drunk driver... We gotta get them sober people off the road.)
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To: SolidSupplySide
Here - you don't understand.

With each column/story/blurb or whatever in the MSM, especially papers like the esteemed NYT, the reader is treated to an unwritten rule of today's journalism: Every column penned, every editorial espoused, every television interview done, is always done in a vacuum!

You are not supposed to recall earlier things written/spoken that do not jibe with the agenda! Even worse, you're not supposed to throw those things back in their faces! They expressly reserve that right for themselves.

They are a bit upset these days, what with the Internet, radio talk shows, Fox News Channel, and places like FR. We do not give them what they feel is their just due. They are, after all, The Media, more to fawned upon than a rock star, and worshiped just this side of The Almighty, whilst us poor peons are just that - peons, low lifes, fodder, sheep, and whatever other degrading epitaphs they (not you - Heavens, not you!) might think of.

I used to think a lot of these people were simply longing for the mystique of the good ol' days - Vietnam, Watergate, etc., etc. And while some may actually think this way, I'm becoming convinced they simply long for the days when their words went unquestioned, accepted blindly by adoring masses.

Of course, there is unquestioning obedience to the Agenda, which overrides all else. Truth is usually the first casualty here, but a lot of them seem to have lost a taste for the truth as a matter of course, and so are not really bothered by casualty.

But as the MSM continues to sink slowly into the horizon, plunging unfettered into oblivion, they will doubtless come too late to the conclusion that the whole exercise has simply been a job rather than an adventure, and not a very good one at that.

Trust me - they are more to be pitied than scorned, and a part of me (admittedly, a very small part!) feels sorry for them.

Not so much so that I won't sleep soundly tonight, tho!

CA....
51 posted on 07/12/2005 9:41:19 PM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've once again found that silly grin!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"But it is something else entirely when officials peddle disinformation for propaganda purposes or to harm a political adversary."

Cooper initiated the meet. A meet to talk about welfare reform. Also, Rove warned Cooper not to get too far out on the Wilson thing (because Rove knew the gestation of Tenet's report slamming Wilson had already begun.

If Lance Armstrong peddled like that...I could beat him.

52 posted on 07/12/2005 9:42:21 PM PDT by rvoitier (25% of traffic fatalities involve a drunk driver... We gotta get them sober people off the road.)
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To: denydenydeny

What was her official capacity at the time of arranging for hubby's travel? Was it covert? Did that official capacity have the authority to do so?


53 posted on 07/12/2005 9:46:05 PM PDT by newbeliever
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To: Fenris6

I'm with Rush on this one - the NYT is desparate to cover their behind. They are either covering up 1) they made the whole story up out of whole cloth, or 2) there real source won't hold up to scrutiny and they don't dare let that out.

Or it could be like the Augusta National series on good 'ol Raines where they cranked out dozens of non-stories as part of a campaign to convince us how rotten the masters are without women golfers (as if we cared).

Either scenario the NYT reputation is sinking even more rapidly and they "can't get up".


54 posted on 07/12/2005 9:52:27 PM PDT by TeaDumper
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
Maybe after Gregory and Moran have taken Midol and have been given a rasher of Hersheys chocolate, they can be convinced to investigate this.

Gregory and Moran are not interested in mundane things like "Who signed off on Plame's request to send her husband on an unauthorized WMD mission." Such an investigation would do nothing to help their party's cause.

55 posted on 07/12/2005 9:58:42 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: newbeliever
What was her official capacity at the time of arranging for hubby's travel? Was it covert? Did that official capacity have the authority to do so?

See post #33.

56 posted on 07/12/2005 10:02:01 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: newbeliever
Nicholas Kristof's Column - - October 11, 2003
57 posted on 07/12/2005 10:08:55 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: mikenash

If Patrick Fitzgerald's report is as you have guessed, the MSM will never report on it.


58 posted on 07/12/2005 10:19:18 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

"But it is something else entirely when officials peddle disinformation for propaganda purposes or to harm a political adversary."

You mean like when Nick Kristoff (NYTimes oped writer) and Joe Wilson met at a Democratic Senatorial cocktail party and conspired to 'peddle disinformation' about the Niger yellowcake???!??!

man, the stench of hyposcrisy!


59 posted on 07/12/2005 11:11:12 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: denydenydeny

" But that whole question is moot, and the law does not apply because Plame was definitely not a covert agent, and had not been since 1994."

If that is true, this whole thing is a clown show ... solely for the amusement of the leftwing Democrats and their liberal journalist friends.
60 posted on 07/12/2005 11:16:10 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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