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Freeper Thoughts on the Plame Kerfuffle
Vanity | 07/12/2005 | RightFighter

Posted on 07/12/2005 6:55:21 PM PDT by RightFighter

I'm wondering who everyone thinks the actual leaker is. Remember that Novak stated that it's not who we think it is and that it's a highly placed government official who is "no partisan gunslinger".

My gut tells me this is what happened:

Cooper calls Rove about welfare reform. At the end of the conversation, he asks Rove about Wilson. Rove tries to warn him off the story, mentioning that Wilson's wife, who apparently works at CIA, arranged for Wilson to go to Niger.

Miller catches wind of this conversation, perhaps through a conversation with Cooper or perhaps she asked Rove a similar question. Anyway, Miller wants to confirm this portion of the story, so she does some digging to find out the NAME of Wilson's wife.

The key question then, is, who does Miller call to get the name?

My guess is George Tenet. He would have certainly known the name. He was definitely a highly placed government official, and he certainly would not be considered a partisan gunslinger, having worked as CIA Director under both Presidents Clinton and Bush. Plame had been working in Washington during Tenet's entire tenure at CIA I think, so it's certainly possible that he didn't think that she could possibly be considered covert, so he didn't think he was doing any harm by revealing her name.

This would also explain the NYT stance on this whole matter. They would rather see Rove twist in the wind while their reporter-ette sits in a country club saying nothing than they would like to see the truth come out. The truth in this case would totally exonerate the administration and cast the blame on a CLINTON appointee!!!

There may be nothing to this, but take note of this post, because it may be one that you go looking for in a couple of months to say "didn't that guy RightFighter post Tenet's name on FR a while back?"

This is from Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Plame:

21 July 2003: Newsday article "Columnist Names CIA Iraq Operative" by Timothy M. Phelps and Knut Royce attributes intelligence information independently leaked to them about Plame as coming from "intelligence officials" and a "senior intelligence official." . Both have been subpoenaed in the Plame investigation.

Interestingly, I noticed this on Wikipedia too. I didn't realize that Wiki was biased, but I guess this proves it:

July 11, 2005: Rove's lawyer/paid liar says, "Rove did not mention her name to Cooper." This one might actually be true, in its lie-y way.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: cia; cialeak; judithmiller; kerfuffle; leak; matthewcooper; niger; plame; rove; uselssvanity; wilson
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To: Ben Hecks
Brit Hume just said democrats were screaming (about Rove)"off with his head!" He was smiling.
He's showing clips of democrats fuming, spitting, and banging on things. LOL.
61 posted on 07/12/2005 9:08:37 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: kabar

their pic's been taken down, looks like.


62 posted on 07/12/2005 9:08:54 PM PDT by Doug2464
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To: Pukin Dog
Are the reports true that the State Dept frequently leaked to the Times? And didn't the State Dept have their own "In-house intelligence operation"?
63 posted on 07/12/2005 9:10:05 PM PDT by falpro
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To: concerned about politics

jeeeeeez, does he have any corroboration or details on that? Or does he have a copy of the actual web page? That would be HUGE!!!


64 posted on 07/12/2005 9:11:00 PM PDT by Doug2464
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To: armymarinemom

65 posted on 07/12/2005 9:11:00 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Doug2464

Nope. See my post #65.


66 posted on 07/12/2005 9:12:41 PM PDT by kabar
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To: falpro
Are the reports true that the State Dept frequently leaked to the Times? And didn't the State Dept have their own "In-house intelligence operation"?

Yes, it's called the INR.
67 posted on 07/12/2005 9:14:54 PM PDT by Doug2464
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To: Doug2464
jeeeeeez, does he have any corroboration or details on that? Or does he have a copy of the actual web page? That would be HUGE!!!

He didn't say. He was laughing about it. Apparently, it's common knowledge around Washington. The Feds must have tracked it.
Rush will hit it tomorrow no doubt. Maybe Hannity. Maybe O'Reilly?

68 posted on 07/12/2005 9:16:08 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: Doug2464

Did the INR commission and pay for Wilson's trip to Niger?


69 posted on 07/12/2005 9:22:20 PM PDT by falpro
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To: Doug2464
er, ain't he also the deputy chief of staff?

Yup. As of this year. Pretty good for a guy in trouble all of the time.

But, being Deputy Chief of Staff and a buck and a half will get you the donut and coffee special at Dunkin Donuts.

How much political power does the position have?

So, who is the Chief of Staff? Heard much about him lately?

70 posted on 07/12/2005 9:29:41 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (In God We Trust. All Others We Monitor.)
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To: falpro

dunno. This is all I found at the INR web site concerning Wilson:

"July 6, 2003: The New York Times published an article in which former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson described his mission to Niger, in which he had been unable to find evidence that Iraq had attempted to purchase uranium there. The next day, the White House conceded that President Bush had relied on "incomplete and possibly inaccurate information" when he mentioned in his State of the Union address that, according to the British Government, Iraq had tried to obtain uranium in Africa."


71 posted on 07/12/2005 9:31:09 PM PDT by Doug2464
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To: mass55th
Re your pst #41, that's truly brilliant analysis. Here's another reporter to add to the mix: Walter Pincus of the WaPo. He wrote a piece between Wilson's July 6, 2003 NYT article and Novak's one of July 14, 2003. It was Pincus' article that helped push the Wilson story along. Then David Corn went further and became the first report to claim the Bush administration "outted" Plame to supposedly get back at Wilson.

Those of us who followed the story here on FR in 2003 have known that there was obvious collusion between Wilson, Pincus and other reporters from the get go on this story. You've just helped fill in another couple of pieces of the jigsaw puzzle.

72 posted on 07/12/2005 9:37:54 PM PDT by Wolfstar (The Dim Party and its fellow leftist travelers want nothing less than the fall of the United States.)
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To: RightFighter
I'm gonna think really big and get outrageous.

Plame and Wilson were paid (by Iraq) to write a critical report that would discourage Bush's war effort and the whole Karl Rove situation is a diversion. Others are involved.

Ok...but it would make a good movie!!! ;)

73 posted on 07/12/2005 9:38:00 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: falpro
sorry, here's the link:

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/pubs/fs/33355.htm
74 posted on 07/12/2005 9:38:44 PM PDT by Doug2464
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To: Lancey Howard
By the way, I have a feeling that Miller's "source" might be Colin Powell...

Actually, when I was talking with my Dad about this yesterday afternoon, I told him I thought it was Tenet, but that the other person whose name popped into my head was Colin Powell. He is the only other "senior administration official" who I think would have had the knowledge and who would not be considered to be a "partisan gunslinger".

75 posted on 07/13/2005 4:01:06 AM PDT by RightFighter
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To: mass55th
Good analysis.

Now help me with this. There must be two sources, otherwise Judith Miller has no reason to keep Rove's name secret since Cooper already revealed it. Seems pretty simple to me that the press could put this together and focus on the reality of a secondary source rather than the fact that they are getting burned once again. But, I guess we already know that the press is a bunch of ignorant fools.

76 posted on 07/13/2005 7:04:17 AM PDT by Lowcountry (RIP: Peterdanbrokaw)
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To: TNdandelion
Plame and Wilson were paid (by Iraq) to write a critical report that would discourage Bush's war effort and the whole Karl Rove situation is a diversion. Others are involved.

To be honest, I have a simpler theory: Plame was among many government operatives left over from the Clinton administration who cooked the intelligence due to either incompetence or outright political and personal hatred of Bush to make it look like Iraq had more than it did. When someone actually decided to go look for evidence, Plame got her husband on the team to Niger in order to deflect everyone away from her own incompetence or motives.

Alternatively, she shared her husband's view of the war and the current administration, and got her husband on the team to help Niger officials destroy evidence and cover up their collusion with Iraq.

77 posted on 07/13/2005 7:15:21 AM PDT by krazyrep
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To: Lowcountry
I've always said from the beginning of this thing that more than likely, the source of the leak wasn't anyone in the White House because I couldn't see a journalist going to jail for anyone on the other side of the political spectrum. I figure it's someone close to Wilson/Plame, or they themselves who leaked the info. You're right on the Judith Miller issue. There was no need for Miller to go to jail if Rove indeed was the leaker. But we all know that he wasn't and it has to be someone that the journalists are trying to protect...another journalist? Wilson? Of course the press isn't going to put it all together because it would out them as the biased hypocrites they truly are.

I wonder if Judith is trying to be another Susan MacDougal. Afterall, Susan refused repeatedly to testify during a grand jury hearing and was kept in jail for a lengthy period of time. I'm wondering just how much of a bonus she'll get from her boss for all this inconvenience.

78 posted on 07/13/2005 7:42:39 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: RightFighter

And the man who wrote the law that Rove supposedly broke was on Fox this morning, I didn't catch his name, and I can't find it on WWW.... he said that Rove did NOT break the law. He said it is a narrowly written law meant to stop a particular person years ago who was publishing the names of CIA agents.


79 posted on 07/13/2005 8:28:16 AM PDT by buffyt ("If men are so wicked with religion, what would they be if without it?" Ben Franklin)
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To: mass55th

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80 posted on 08/03/2005 12:30:18 PM PDT by michaellasdad
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