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Two [Woody Allen and Natan Sharansky] with such different views on history
Minneapolis Star Tribune ^ | July 12, 2005 | David Gelernter

Posted on 07/12/2005 4:01:42 AM PDT by rhema

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1 posted on 07/12/2005 4:01:43 AM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema

Woody Allen is a celebrity intellectual?

My take is that Allen is an overrated actor.


2 posted on 07/12/2005 4:26:10 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: rhema
Woody Allen (liberal) and Natan Sharansky (conservative)

Allen lived a self indulgent meaningless life. Sharansky didn't.

3 posted on 07/12/2005 4:28:21 AM PDT by GOPJ
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. . .Allen got famous as the anti-hero of his own movies, the schnook who invites the world to laugh at him while he gets the girl anyway. He has become the master comedian of the age, so funny he hasn't found it necessary to make a joke in 30 years. During this time his movies have dispensed with mere humor in favor of gentle, carefully crafted tedium. He is especially popular in Europe, where people enjoy well-written films, prefer literate irony to childish comedy, and never object to a Jew making a fool of himself.

"The history of the world," he told Der Spiegel, "is like: He kills me, I kill him." (Of course he was speaking casually, off the cuff.) "Only with different cosmetics and different castings: So in 2001, some fanatics killed some Americans, and now some Americans are killing some Iraqis. And in my childhood, some Nazis killed Jews. And now, some Jewish people and some Palestinians are killing each other. Political questions, if you go back thousands of years, are ephemeral, not important. History is the same thing over and over again."

If history is merely a bad movie endlessly repeating itself, then history is meaningless. If all killing amounts to the same thing, you can't possibly save the world by fighting wars. Allen doesn't say these things but plainly implies them.

These ideas are important: Americans must decide whether they are fools to fight for other people's freedom. The Iraq war was partly inspired by none other than Natan Sharansky -- who passionately preaches that free people must battle tyranny militarily. Referring to Sharansky's "The Case for Democracy," President Bush said: "If you want a glimpse of how I think about foreign policy, read Natan Sharansky's book."

But Allen's theory implies that we are crazy to fight in Iraq. True, Saddam Hussein and his rape rooms and torture shops and killing grounds have been washed away like gore off a butcher-shop floor; all the same, history is going nowhere. Whether you kill a man while liberating his country or because you are Saddam just fooling around, he is equally dead. America had no better excuse than Saddam to kill Iraqis.

But Sharansky knows that as language expresses human thoughts, history expresses deeds -- which (like thoughts) are sometimes nonsense and sometimes meaningful. The collapse of the Soviet Union, for example, meant that innumerable freedom lovers had struggled and suffered and won.

Sharansky himself spent more than 10 years in Soviet prisons -- because he was a dissident, had worked with other dissidents and yearned to go to Israel. Nordlinger writes about Sharansky's imprisonment: "More than 400 of those days were spent in punishment cells; more than 200 were spent on hunger strikes. His refusal to concede anything to the Soviets was almost superhuman." . . .

4 posted on 07/12/2005 4:30:18 AM PDT by Caleb1411
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If history is merely a bad movie endlessly repeating itself, then history is meaningless. If all killing amounts to the same thing, you can't possibly save the world by fighting wars. Allen doesn't say these things but plainly implies them.

These ideas are important: Americans must decide whether they are fools to fight for other people's freedom. The Iraq war was partly inspired by none other than Natan Sharansky -- who passionately preaches that free people must battle tyranny militarily. Referring to Sharansky's "The Case for Democracy," President Bush said: "If you want a glimpse of how I think about foreign policy, read Natan Sharansky's book."

How fortunate this country is.

5 posted on 07/12/2005 4:33:52 AM PDT by Zender500
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To: Tax-chick

bttt


6 posted on 07/12/2005 4:34:02 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I am saying that the government's complicity is dishonest and disingenuous." ~NCSteve)
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To: rhema

Woody Allen is an intellectual?


7 posted on 07/12/2005 4:35:20 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Miss Marple

Haven't read it, but....


8 posted on 07/12/2005 4:35:57 AM PDT by Molly Pitcher (We are Americans...the sons and daughters of liberty...*.from FReeper the Real fifi*)
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To: Caleb1411; rhema
And speaking of inspiring books,

The Case for Democracy

9 posted on 07/12/2005 4:38:30 AM PDT by Zender500
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To: GOPJ

Yes, but Allen used to be funny. Sharansky never really cracked me up.


10 posted on 07/12/2005 4:39:36 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: rhema
Comparing Natan Sharansky to Woody Allen is like comparing Albert Einstein to Bill the Cat.
11 posted on 07/12/2005 4:41:37 AM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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12 posted on 07/12/2005 4:42:17 AM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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To: rhema

Woody Allen is the sort of person that people on the left regard as an "intellectual". It reflects the paucity of ideas- instead of fresh thinking, we are given adolescent posturing and pedophilia.


13 posted on 07/12/2005 5:04:45 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: Loyal Buckeye

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay Over rated.


14 posted on 07/12/2005 5:08:17 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: durasell
And if being funny was the meaning of life, you might have a point:

Yes, but Allen used to be funny. Sharansky never really cracked me up.

15 posted on 07/12/2005 5:42:04 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: GOPJ

My point was that the comparison between Allen and Sharansky is dumb. They are in two different fields, from two different cultures and have oriented themselves toward different goals.


16 posted on 07/12/2005 5:44:51 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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17 posted on 07/12/2005 6:55:50 AM PDT by SJackson (On the second try, I got that jug off, but then I had a bear tied to a tree)
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To: rhema

What about his wife, Soon Yi Previn? Was she not literally pulled from a rubbish bin and saved by the adoption of Mia Farrow?

I suppose she and Woody share the same world view as they are both equally selfish, self absorbed and ungrateful for their incredible opportunities.

Shame on their heads.

The only thing he had in common with Sharansky was the fact that he was born into the most incredible, enriching, enduring faith of all time. Clearly if Allen doesn't value this he values nothing.


18 posted on 07/12/2005 7:08:06 AM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: durasell
My point was that the comparison between Allen and Sharansky is dumb. They are in two different fields, from two different cultures and have oriented themselves toward different goals.

The comparison is being made between their "worldviews" not their fields of work. I "get" that Sharansky's not a hack/pornogopher like Allen and I "get" that Allen's not an outstanding role model like Sharansky. What I don't get is your point.

19 posted on 07/12/2005 7:08:14 AM PDT by GOPJ
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What about his wife, Soon Yi Previn? Was she not literally pulled from a rubbish bin and saved by the adoption of Mia Farrow? I suppose she and Woody share the same world view as they are both equally selfish, self absorbed and ungrateful for their incredible opportunities. Shame on their heads.

Absolutely agree with your assessment. Woody Allen earned my contempt and disgust when he had an affair with his step-daughter, who has shown herself to be as morally bankrupt as he. They truly deserve each other, and Woody Allen's lack of perspective and compassion surprises me not in the least.

20 posted on 07/12/2005 7:18:00 AM PDT by ariamne (reformed liberal--Shieldmaiden of the Infidel)
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