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1 posted on 07/12/2005 4:01:43 AM PDT by rhema
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Woody Allen is a celebrity intellectual?

My take is that Allen is an overrated actor.


2 posted on 07/12/2005 4:26:10 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: rhema
Woody Allen (liberal) and Natan Sharansky (conservative)

Allen lived a self indulgent meaningless life. Sharansky didn't.

3 posted on 07/12/2005 4:28:21 AM PDT by GOPJ
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. . .Allen got famous as the anti-hero of his own movies, the schnook who invites the world to laugh at him while he gets the girl anyway. He has become the master comedian of the age, so funny he hasn't found it necessary to make a joke in 30 years. During this time his movies have dispensed with mere humor in favor of gentle, carefully crafted tedium. He is especially popular in Europe, where people enjoy well-written films, prefer literate irony to childish comedy, and never object to a Jew making a fool of himself.

"The history of the world," he told Der Spiegel, "is like: He kills me, I kill him." (Of course he was speaking casually, off the cuff.) "Only with different cosmetics and different castings: So in 2001, some fanatics killed some Americans, and now some Americans are killing some Iraqis. And in my childhood, some Nazis killed Jews. And now, some Jewish people and some Palestinians are killing each other. Political questions, if you go back thousands of years, are ephemeral, not important. History is the same thing over and over again."

If history is merely a bad movie endlessly repeating itself, then history is meaningless. If all killing amounts to the same thing, you can't possibly save the world by fighting wars. Allen doesn't say these things but plainly implies them.

These ideas are important: Americans must decide whether they are fools to fight for other people's freedom. The Iraq war was partly inspired by none other than Natan Sharansky -- who passionately preaches that free people must battle tyranny militarily. Referring to Sharansky's "The Case for Democracy," President Bush said: "If you want a glimpse of how I think about foreign policy, read Natan Sharansky's book."

But Allen's theory implies that we are crazy to fight in Iraq. True, Saddam Hussein and his rape rooms and torture shops and killing grounds have been washed away like gore off a butcher-shop floor; all the same, history is going nowhere. Whether you kill a man while liberating his country or because you are Saddam just fooling around, he is equally dead. America had no better excuse than Saddam to kill Iraqis.

But Sharansky knows that as language expresses human thoughts, history expresses deeds -- which (like thoughts) are sometimes nonsense and sometimes meaningful. The collapse of the Soviet Union, for example, meant that innumerable freedom lovers had struggled and suffered and won.

Sharansky himself spent more than 10 years in Soviet prisons -- because he was a dissident, had worked with other dissidents and yearned to go to Israel. Nordlinger writes about Sharansky's imprisonment: "More than 400 of those days were spent in punishment cells; more than 200 were spent on hunger strikes. His refusal to concede anything to the Soviets was almost superhuman." . . .

4 posted on 07/12/2005 4:30:18 AM PDT by Caleb1411
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6 posted on 07/12/2005 4:34:02 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I am saying that the government's complicity is dishonest and disingenuous." ~NCSteve)
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To: rhema

Woody Allen is an intellectual?


7 posted on 07/12/2005 4:35:20 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: rhema
Comparing Natan Sharansky to Woody Allen is like comparing Albert Einstein to Bill the Cat.
11 posted on 07/12/2005 4:41:37 AM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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12 posted on 07/12/2005 4:42:17 AM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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To: rhema

Woody Allen is the sort of person that people on the left regard as an "intellectual". It reflects the paucity of ideas- instead of fresh thinking, we are given adolescent posturing and pedophilia.


13 posted on 07/12/2005 5:04:45 AM PDT by oblomov
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17 posted on 07/12/2005 6:55:50 AM PDT by SJackson (On the second try, I got that jug off, but then I had a bear tied to a tree)
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To: rhema

What about his wife, Soon Yi Previn? Was she not literally pulled from a rubbish bin and saved by the adoption of Mia Farrow?

I suppose she and Woody share the same world view as they are both equally selfish, self absorbed and ungrateful for their incredible opportunities.

Shame on their heads.

The only thing he had in common with Sharansky was the fact that he was born into the most incredible, enriching, enduring faith of all time. Clearly if Allen doesn't value this he values nothing.


18 posted on 07/12/2005 7:08:06 AM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: rhema
I don't know Allen's view of religion. But the idea that history repeats itself endlessly, that no utopian "end of days" will ever come, that existence is a grim, meaningless merry-go-round nicely complements atheism.

So far as I know, Allen is an atheist. He has certainly used his films to mock Judaism.

The thing is, most atheists of the past two hundred years or so have indeed believed that history is going somewhere--a utopian "omega point" at which history ends in a static paradise. Most atheists today believe similarly (at least the ones who make the most noise).

The only political philosophy I am aware of that rejects the notion of a teleological Hegelian (or else religious supernatural) course to history is Italian Fascism. Fascism differed from both Nazism and Communism in this regard, as Mussolini proclaimed "we are a heretic to all the paradises." Life and history was constant unending struggle with no resolution either at the end of history or after life.

Who'd a thunk that Woody Allen and his largely Jewish audience would have been disciples of Mussolini???

22 posted on 07/12/2005 7:50:28 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vehu' yihyeh pere' 'adam, yado vakol veyad kol bo.)
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To: rhema
his movies have dispensed with mere humor in favor of gentle, carefully crafted tedium.

Heh heh heh.

26 posted on 07/12/2005 8:41:04 AM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("...there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda." - Thomas Kean, chairman, 9/11 Commission)
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To: rhema

Woody Allen is an amoral pervert. Nothing he says is of any consequence, except in his own mind.


27 posted on 07/12/2005 8:44:11 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkes.)
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