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To: JennysCool

Oh, nonsense.

We can't have our cake and eat it too.

Many here accused Kerry of treason - using a fairly wide description of that term.

Perhaps he was .. I dunno.

But Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives - and Freepers seem willing to give him a get-out-of-jail card.

What rank hypocrisy.

Sadim


11 posted on 07/11/2005 11:26:48 PM PDT by sadimgnik
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To: sadimgnik
We've been saying for a long time, long before this came out, that whoever "leak" this well known fact would not be guilty of any crime. It has nothing to do with the fact that Rove was ONE of the sources, it wouldn't matter who it was. The FACT is that everyone in Washington knew that his wife worked at the CIA.

Not very confidential if everyone knows it.

148 posted on 07/12/2005 6:03:54 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: sadimgnik

Youre a working journalist and you wrote #11?


168 posted on 07/12/2005 7:27:40 AM PDT by woofie (Neocon spelled backward is Nocoen)
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To: sadimgnik
Ummm...keep up will ya? He did not out a secret political operative. She had not been covert for nine years as she was outed by Aldrich Ames prior to 1994 and then again by the Cubans. She was assigned a desk job as an analyst at that time.

The identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame was compromised twice before her name appeared in a news column that triggered a federal illegal-disclosure investigation, U.S. officials say.

Mrs. Plame's identity as an undercover CIA officer was first disclosed to Russia in the mid-1990s by a Moscow spy, said officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity. In a second compromise, officials said a more recent inadvertent disclosure resulted in references to Mrs. Plame in confidential documents sent by the CIA to the U.S. Interests Section of the Swiss Embassy in Havana.

The documents were supposed to be sealed from the Cuban government, but intelligence officials said the Cubans read the classified material and learned the secrets contained in them, the officials said.

Washington Times

She would have had to have been covert in the last five years for Rove to have broken the law.
180 posted on 07/12/2005 8:36:25 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: sadimgnik

"But Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives - and Freepers seem willing to give him a get-out-of-jail card."

The flaw with your statement is that Rove didn't out her.

He did mention her name and that she worked for the CIA.

The vast majority of people who work for the CIA are not agents and definately not undercover agents.

It's also very questionable if she was really undercover as well.

The limited exerpt of the email doesn't seem to imply that Rove was aware that she was an agent, merely that she worked for the CIA, and that she had a hand in getting her hubby the job. A fact that her hubby publicly denied.

Wilson is the one that has been clearly caught lying in several cases. He lied about his findings. He made comments in the press that the documents were clearly forged when he never had access to the documents.

The facts do not support the accusation that Rove did something wrong.

That does leave us with the question of why the administration denied Rove had anything to do with this whole affair.

I guess we'll have to wait until the entire email is released, and we have enough information to develop a timeline of the events.

The press has a way of scewing what the administration says to suit their own ends. I'll wait until I see what was actually said and when it was said before I even start wondering if the administration screwed up with their statements.


189 posted on 07/12/2005 9:27:47 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: sadimgnik

"But Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives..."




You're full of it. First off...Plame wasn't even a covert agent. The reason she was assigned a desk job at Langley was because her identity had been exposed years earlier by the Russians and Aldrich Aimes. She was also widely known by most reporters on the cocktail scene, which makes me wonder if this wasn't a setup to begin with. Secondly, if she was so concerned with her identity, why did she take an active role in what everyone knew would become a political football?

From the start, Joe Wilson has lied about his involvement in this case. He claimed he was sent to Africa by Dick Cheney via the CIA. Rove was doing nothing more than refuting this lie by pointing out that it was Wilson's wife that helped set up his trip...a very relevant point when one considers Wilson's acts when he returned.

In order for there to have even been a crime, Rove would've had to known that Plame was covert (something he didn't...and she wasn't) and intended to do her harm by "outing" her. The fact is, Rove was doing nothing more than exposing Wilson's lie and pointing out the political ties that led to this trip.

In fact, if this was an CIA/WH authorized trip as Wilson claimed, than it was he who was in violation of revealing confidential information when he wrote an op-ed for the NY Times. He claimed that the WH wasn't ineterested in his report...yet they claim he never even presented it to them. And as the Senate investigation discovered, Wilson not only lied, his conclusions in Africa were wrong.


192 posted on 07/12/2005 9:43:21 AM PDT by cwb
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Tomorrow's headline today:

Plame Fame Game Lame Aim: Blame, Frame, Maim Rove!


195 posted on 07/12/2005 9:54:52 AM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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Another point to be made, Cooper is not the ONLY journalist to have been given the information of Plame being a CIA op from "a White House source." Novak, obviously, but both Tim Russert and Andrea Mitchell have stated publicly that they also received the phone call.

This email of Cooper's is not the end of the story ... the GJ investigation will continue.

209 posted on 07/12/2005 11:00:32 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: sadimgnik
You won't mind if we ignore you, will you?

Aussie journalists are evidently as subject to being misled by their personal biases as American journalists.

211 posted on 07/12/2005 11:06:03 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: sadimgnik

But Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives - and Freepers seem willing to give him a get-out-of-jail card

Were you aware that Valeri Plume had not been a covert agent in over NINE YEARS? Rush was reporting on that this morning.


235 posted on 07/12/2005 12:36:03 PM PDT by Primetimedonna
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But Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives - and Freepers seem willing to give him a get-out-of-jail card

Were you aware that Valeri Plume had not been a covert agent in over NINE YEARS? Rush was reporting on that this morning.


238 posted on 07/12/2005 12:39:41 PM PDT by Primetimedonna
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To: sadimgnik
We can't have our cake and eat it too.

Sorry sport, no desert till you finish with your crow.....

240 posted on 07/12/2005 1:05:29 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Too many idiots, too little time to deal with them all......I'll just shoot what I can.)
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"Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives"


Interesting that you have joined in with the slime-merchants without any knowledge or understanding of the case. There's no reason to believe Rove did anything unethical or illegal or (heaven forbid) 'treasonous' but there are plenty of good reasons to say that the imbecilic fraud artists who have been orchestrating and feeding these non-scandals, beginning with the dishonest and idiotic piece by Joe Wilson in the July 6, 2003 NY Times, are indeed guilty of various unethical, scurrilous activities.... and the people engaging in such activities against the government in TIME OF WAR certainly are guilty of seditious, perhaps treasonous, activities.........


249 posted on 07/12/2005 3:56:13 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: sadimgnik

What "secret operative" ? Plame was a low-level desk jockey.


254 posted on 07/12/2005 5:22:21 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: sadimgnik

Did you even READ the article? Are you retarded?


258 posted on 07/12/2005 5:45:19 PM PDT by boop (Testing the tagline feature!)
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To: sadimgnik

Your comments are puzzling. From what we know at this point, Rove broke no law regarding CIA agents. How can you "out" someone who's not an undercover agent in the first place? And how can you "out" someone who has already been outed, most notably by her own husband in his book? There was no secret about Plame's working for the CIA. As I understand it, the law referring to revealing CIA agents relates to undercover agents overseas, not people who work in the CIA building. So where's the crime?


296 posted on 07/13/2005 9:10:29 AM PDT by Laur
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deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives

Prove it.

299 posted on 07/13/2005 4:22:34 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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