Posted on 07/11/2005 5:25:23 PM PDT by ElisabethInCincy
Well, seems to me lightening should be striking this idiot any minute now! :-0
This Osama guy's a perverted moron.
Bingo...
The heart of this question is why is Samson unlike Palestinian suicide bombers:
1. Samson was Jewish. The text affirmed here takes the side of Jewish tradition not Koranic tradition.
2. Israel allows Palestinians to live within its borders. No comparable right exists within Palestine.
3. Egypt, Syria, and Lebannon all control lands that are arguably Palestinian. There are no international or Palestinian demands to give up that land or face suicide bombings. Palestinian suicide bombers are engaged in a purely arbitrary rage of anti-semitism. The occupiers are "evil" only because they are Jewish.
4. Samson has been mistreated. He was not the recipient of 3 billion dollars in aid (see G8 summit for more details).
5. Christianity fairly easily distinguishes these claims based on Jesus' admonition to turn the other cheek and his refusal to use the sword for his Father's kingdom. I would be happy to elaborate but the web site seems to concede this.
6. Actually, you are somewhat correct. The Jewish tradition does not per se condemn this. This largely explains why you are getting your rear end kicked around the Middle East by the Jews. If you think they will let you blow up their buses like the British do, you may want to consult this clever hermenutic you have selectively built for yourself more closely. The Jews can hit back while Christians are more limited.
I will pause there.
"'Palestinians' are Arabs, they are not descendants of the ancient Aegean people the Philistines. Why would you think they are, because both names start with a P?"
Because both names start with a "P"?! Oh, please!
"Palestine: From L. Palestina (name of a Roman province), from Gk. Palaistine (Herodotus), from Heb. Pelesheth "Philistia, land of the Philistines." Revived as a political territorial name 1920." -- Online Etymology Dictionary
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=palestine&searchmode=none
New Testament= No.
The Lord gave us free will, replacing his power only let him cary out his free will, in no way does it show support for what he did.
First of all you'll never understand the Scriptures you quoted or get your questioned answered until you understand this first:
Jdg 13:5 ............... for the child shall be a Nazirite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to save Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.
Israel was occupied by the Philistines. God needed an army to run the Philistines out of Israel but He only had Samson. So God gave him mighty strength but only upon God's command would that strength be exerted.
2nd thing to understand:
Jdg 14:4 But his father and his mother knew not that it was of Jehovah; for he sought an occasion against the Philistines. Now at that time the Philistines had rule over Israel.
Sampson sought an occasion to fight the Philistines but when you read Samson's story he only killed the ones who tried to mess with him. They harassed his first wife to get the answer to the riddle, etc. All the things he did to the Philistines they deserved. Deliah harangued and harassed him to tell her the secret of his strength so she could tell the Philistines. He just wore out and told her the answer. Once his head was shaved the Lord left him, meaning God's strength was no longer in him. But when his hair grew back and he prayed to God to once more give him mighty strength God did. God did not like the Philistines occupying Israel so He allowed the rulers and lords to be killed.
The Romans, after the final Jewish revolt, destroyed what was left of Judea, ancient Israel, expelled the Jews and renamed the area- as an insult- after the Jews' ancient long extinct enemies, the Philistines.
This all, by the way, decades after the time of Jesus. I mention that because I often read and hear in documentaries of Jesus "in Palestine". Its a anti-Israel bias.
For the next almost two thousand years, the only people on Earth who were ever called Palestinians were Jews. My father, and many generations before him were born Palestinians.
Arabs were Arabs or in some cases they were called Palestinian Arabs (as a modifier). Never was an Arab referred to as a Palestinian.
That all changed after 1948, when the Arabs- as propaganda- with the Jews now calling themselves Israelis, the Arabs in that area started calling themselves Palestinians. That really took off after the 1967 war.
There is no relationship between today's "Palestinians" and the ancient Philistines.
I don't much about a lot, but there were these books in the Bible I was told about called the new testament...I think there is something in there about forgiveness and "turning the other cheek." If the old testament is the only criteria, then "an eye for an eye" is appropriate.
WHo took out the first eye?
Judg. 14: 5 Samson went down to Timnah together with his father and mother. As they approached the vineyards of Timnah, suddenly a young lion came roaring toward him.
6 The Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power so that he tore the lion apart with his bare hands as he might have torn a young goat. But he told neither his father nor his mother what he had done.
7 Then he went down and talked with the woman, and he liked her.
Judg. 15:14 As he approached Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power The ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands. 15
Finding a fresh jawbone of a donkey, he grabbed it and struck down a thousand men.
16 Then Samson said, With a donkeys jawbone I have made donkeys of them. With a donkeys jawbone I have killed a thousand men.
Samson was a prisoner of his enemy, he was beaten and blind. He called on God and God gave him the power to strike his enemies in death. Whether one believes the story or not the story of Samson has no corollary in suicide bombing which has at its core cowardice of the highest order. The difference is clear when one considers the difference between a beaten prisoner taking the lives of those who imprison him and a man who takes a bomb into a public square not to attack those who have oppressed him but to attack those who are defenseless against him. Those who can not see the distinction have a purposeful comprehension problem.
A Google search: Jesus in Palestine
Then compare historical dates: Year 135- Emperor Aelius Hadrian decides to build in Jerusalem the temple to Jupiter Capitolinus, and rename the city as Aelia Capitolina. This triggers the revolt of Shimon Bar Kohba. Jerusalem razed; population deported; Judea renamed into Syria Palestina. Diaspora.
Jesus, in his time, would never have heard of "Palestine". Why all the references to Jesus and Palestine?
God answered Samson's prayer and gave him the strength to do what he did. Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that God approved the action.
However, it would be extremely unwise to conclude that God therefore approves of every act of suicide or homicide that has since been committed in the world.
Muslim terrorists talk a lot about God, and they at least pretend to pray. However, they cannot point to Samson to justify their actions because those actions do not rely on God's power. God does not miraculously create an explosive belt and place it on a suicide bomber with the instruction, "Go kill yourself and some of my chosen people."
And Delilah was a member of the Little Rascals.....oops, maybe it was Darla.
Sampson was a prisoner who had alread been blinded by his enemies and was slated for death.
The Philistines were originally Mycaneans. The Arab Muslim invasion of the area had not yet occurred.
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