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To: StoneGiant
It is fascinating to note that even Hanson, with the historical perspective to know better, has gone, since 911, from naked anger to warm PC accomodation to a hard nose reality about the enemy. Hard ultimatums?

History will note, and perhaps list, the thousands of victims that were sacrificed before the proper and effective response was implemented: and it must be plain, uncomplicated, ruthless, uncompromising, one-sided and all-encompassing.

The stakes are survival with a minimum of friendly casualties; and as many enemy casualties as possible to make it plain that the end of Western tolerance has been exceeded.

Asymmetric warfare must result in the end of civilization as we know it or the end of islam. No compromise is possible.

4 posted on 07/11/2005 6:30:42 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Publius6961
Asymmetric warfare must result in the end of civilization as we know it or the end of islam. No compromise is possible.

Yep. Sooner some of our appeasing leadership realizes this the better. The 'Old Guard' has got to go: how can we fight this war with idiots like Durbin, Dodd, Kennedy, Murray, etc etc in the Senate, in supposedly positions of leadership? It's either lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way. Unfortunately we have a political class that thinks it is royalty and entitled to serve for life. Time to wake some of these calcified moribund fat-*sses up and kick them out of office.

7 posted on 07/11/2005 6:53:23 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Publius6961; All

key point, especially about the minimum casualties. 2 years ago, I freep-posted how the force correllary now was in our greatest favor, and that now (currently the paradigm still exists...) was the time to take the offensive to the terror-states when they could not contest us conventionally, we could minimize civilian collateral damage, and minimize our own casualties. Now is the best chance - perhaps the last chance - for Liberty to grow in the former Kaliph.

The alternative, then as now, still is valid... if we allow our left to emasculate our actions in the WOT, the consequences will be worse (as unimaginable as that can be...) then Post Vietnam. Then, we had the shame of a broken promise to an ally forced upon us by the dhimmicrat controlled congress. Then, the ensueing genocide - morbid as the next may sound - took about 5 million lives.

Now, the potential horror is much greater, even to the point where the tragedy of cambodia would look pale by comparison. If these terror-states get relatively strong enough to where they can challenge us conventionally (more likely from a loss of nerve inspired by dean/hillary/kerry/pelosi/durbin, etc...) the response will be a holocaust, likely nuclear, in which hundreds of millions will die. And I don't think Americans will do the major portion of that dying; push comes to shove and we get to the point where there's no other choice, the Arab mid-east will become the world's biggest mirror.

The irony is, if the left has it's way, it would likely fall upon a dhimmicrat government to pull the trigger... essentially meaning that those very same opponents to the current war - through their opposition-at-any-cost - increase the chances of a mighty holocaust happening.

To any muslim, here or otherwise, who may be reading this, take proper heed of the terrible risk your terrorist brothers are running... it's high time you started acting like your religion really is a "Religion of Peace".

The alternative is chaos.


11 posted on 07/11/2005 9:35:03 AM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: Publius6961

bttt


20 posted on 07/12/2005 1:32:38 AM PDT by lainde
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