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London and the Long War - (civilization vs. barbarians is a very old historical struggle)
CHRONWATCH.COM ^ | JULY 9, 2005 | JOE MARIANI

Posted on 07/09/2005 5:49:24 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Once again, the barbarians who are our enemies in the War on Terror have struck a blow against the innocent. This time, they have exploded multiple bombs in London, in three Tube (subway) stations as well as a passenger bus. Dozens of innocent people are dead and as many as a thousand may be wounded. How many more innocents must suffer at the hands of these inhuman creatures in the shape of men before the hard-core anti-war liberals among us stop giving them cover and support?

Almost immediately, seemingly before the echoes of the blasts even stopped, the recriminations began--not against the sadistic monsters who target innocent men, women and children for death, but against those world leaders who are trying to stop them, especially President Bush and PM Tony Blair. Leftists like the despicable George Galloway, who was expelled from Britain’s Labour Party for his comments about the Iraq war, were at their terrorist-defending best. Galloway, who apparently received millions of dollars in oil vouchers from Saddam for his opposition to Saddam’s overthrow, stated that “Londoners have now paid the price” for Britain backing America in the War on Terror. Well, London has paid the price for standing up to evil before.

Galloway suggested that retreating from Iraq immediately might appease the terrorists, echoing a persistent defeatist theme coming from the Left. Somehow, the liberals have deluded themselves into thinking that there was no such thing as terrorism before President Bush and the other coalition leaders removed one of the biggest terror supporters in the Middle East from power. They have themselves convinced that if America runs away from them, the terrorists will simply leave us alone. But they can’t convince those of us who remember 9/11 so easily, no matter how hard they try to pretend that it didn’t happen, or didn’t matter.

Since 9/11, the United States and our allies have finally responded to the menace of al-Qaeda and other terror groups. Al-Qaeda’s main base in Afghanistan was destroyed, and the Taliban as well as Saddam Hussein’s regime have been replaced with growing democracies. Democracy and freedom are the only cures for terrorism, and the terrorists know it. The fight in Iraq, according to a Congressional study, is the “central battle” for al-Qaeda. That’s why they’re pouring so much of their resources and manpower into Iraq, trying to prevent the fledgling democracy from taking root there. Meanwhile, the “useful idiots” (Stalin’s term for his unwitting Western supporters) on the left have spent the last three years fighting al-Qaeda’s public relations war for them, thinking only of their own political gain.

Our enemies haven’t been killing only Iraqis and Americans; al-Qaeda is responsible for the Bali nightclub bombing in 2002, the Istanbul mosque and Casablanca bombings of 2003 and the Madrid train bombing of 2004. The so-called “Chechen separatists” responsible for the Russian plane crashes and school massacre of 2004 were, outside of the “mainstream” media’s euphemism fetish, Islamic terrorists linked to al-Qaeda. It seems that not even trying to stop the invasion of Iraq was protection against terrorist attacks, so the liberal insistence that abandoning Iraq will stop terrorism is ludicrous. Al-Qaeda’s goal is to bring the entire world under the sway of their radical brand of Islam, and refusing to fight them won’t stop them from fighting you.

It has always been a matter of civilization versus the barbarians who care nothing for the lives of innocents, who fight to destroy, not expand, civilization. Our various ancestors fought pirates, Mongols, Huns, and Vikings. The reference to “the shores of Tripoli” in the Marine Hymn refers to the war against the Barbary pirates of North Africa two centuries ago. The Spanish fought the tide of Muslim invasion for centuries, a millennium ago. The Romans fought the Visigoths and Ostrogoths before Rome fell. Even the Sumerians repeatedly fought off those who tried to destroy their civilization. The fight against Islamofascism is merely the current incarnation of the long war. Now we fight terrorists around the world, and the latest battleground is London.

The British have never been a people liable to meekly surrender to threats. They didn’t bow humbly to the Vikings, the French, the Spanish, the Germans, or even Irish terrorists, and they don’t appear to be faltering now. The British people face the choice whether to band together with us--as Tony Blair has done--to hunt and fight the enemy wherever they hide, or fight each other and let the enemy win. According to all reports, the British are coming together exactly as we Americans did after 9/11, and we must stand by them as they did us.

We can only win this war together.

About the Writer: Joe Mariani is a computer consultant and freelance writer who lives in Pennsylvania. His website is available at: http://guardian.blogdrive.com.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2005; barbarians; bombings; civilization; historical; jihadineurope; london; londonjuly5; newstruggle; oldstory; struggled

1 posted on 07/09/2005 5:49:25 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

good article.


2 posted on 07/09/2005 5:52:27 PM PDT by modest proposal
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To: CHARLITE

There has rarely been a concrete, total winner in the history of these confrontations. 3


3 posted on 07/09/2005 6:03:43 PM PDT by jolie560 (mic scholars do have a history of studying anf trabslating Greek democracy, however)
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To: CHARLITE
" hard-core anti-war liberals"

This is the one thing I disagree with in this article. They are not anti-war they are anti-american. They are in fact have very pro-ar and pro-terrorist sympathies. They are "anti-war" only when it comes to us, because they are basically on the other side.
4 posted on 07/09/2005 6:17:44 PM PDT by bilhosty
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To: modest proposal
Agreed. It is sobering to realize that we are subject to the same risks as our ancestors. Many people in the United States don't realize this. Thanks to our military and our geographical location, we have been at less risk than other nations. But as the world "shrinks"....
This why the peacenicks have got it wrong.
5 posted on 07/09/2005 6:22:07 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: bilhosty
Good point.

Wonder why they don't protest people like Saddam. The anti-Vietnam war protesters were nowhere to be found while Pol Pot was killing millions. Some even were pro-Mao. After Mao had killed millions of his own people.

They have no credibility.
6 posted on 07/09/2005 6:27:35 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: CHARLITE
"How many more innocents must suffer before the hard-core anti-war liberals among us stop giving them cover and support?"

The first 100 million innocents murdered didn't make them bat an eye, so why would anyone expect a few dozen more to do so? These people supported Stalin and Mao. Bin Laden in small potatoes. They are commies, get it through your head. They are not deluded friends they are implacable and utterly immoral enemies. They are not even anti war. You don't hear a peep out of them about the Congo or the Sudan. They are anti capitalist and anti west, and they never met a murderer of either they wouldn't worship.

7 posted on 07/09/2005 7:51:05 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: dhs12345; JasonC; Congressman Billybob; nothingnew

What are we going to do about them?


8 posted on 07/09/2005 8:00:17 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE
It has always been a matter of civilization versus the barbarians who care nothing for the lives of innocents, who fight to destroy, not expand, civilization. Our various ancestors fought pirates, Mongols, Huns, and Vikings. .... The Romans fought the Visigoths and Ostrogoths before Rome fell

What do you mean "our ancestors", Tonto?

And how about a little thanks to Theodoric the Visigoth for keeping Attila from turning Rome into grazing land.

When the Western Empire fell the Ostrogoths, Visigoths, and Vandals established successor states that were keeping everything from going totally pear-shaped, and had a greater committment to individual liberty and human rights than the Empire they replaced. When along comes the "civilized" Justinian: destroys them, drops Europe into the Dark Age, and leaves North Africa and Spain open for conquest.

It took the barbarians (Franks, Teutons, Norse) the better part of a 1000 years to clean up the mess Justinian left.

9 posted on 07/09/2005 8:54:01 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Irony: English hero Richard the Lionheart was a Frenchman)
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"English hero Richard the Lionheart was a Frenchman."

Half French. His mother was Eleanor of Aquitaine. His father was Henry II. No?

Char :)

10 posted on 07/09/2005 9:04:08 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE
"English hero Richard the Lionheart was a Frenchman."

Half French. His mother was Eleanor of Aquitaine. His father was Henry II. No?

But Henry II was half French himself. Father Geoffrey of Anjou. His mother Matilda might be regarded as English - Her mother Eadyth was Scottish/English; her father Henry I was born, lived most of his life, and was buried in England, even though his ancestry was wholly Norman.

So Richard was at most a quarter Emglish, and by blood only a sixteenth.

11 posted on 07/09/2005 9:22:23 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Irony: English hero Richard the Lionheart was a Frenchman)
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To: CHARLITE
Take away all their political power, for starters. That starts with actual politics but extends far beyond it into civil society. They are deeply rooted in media, academia, public bureaucracies, professional organizations, NGOs, etc. All of which need systematic purging.
12 posted on 07/09/2005 9:34:49 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: bilhosty
They are not anti-war they are anti-american. They are in fact have very pro-ar and pro-terrorist sympathies. They are "anti-war" only when it comes to us...

For example, I recall not a single anti-war demonstration when Slick ordered the bombing of Serbia. The left was absolutely thrilled with that ill-advised war...

Of course, the Balkans had absolutely nothing to do with us -- so it was OK to fight and bleed for Kosovo.

13 posted on 07/09/2005 9:36:54 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: CHARLITE
Keep pointing out their ignorance and hypocrisy in public forums like this one.
14 posted on 07/11/2005 4:13:31 PM PDT by dhs12345
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