Posted on 07/08/2005 6:49:24 AM PDT by summer
Next time I will totally toss out the facts...
Me too, I really need to do that.. oops....I thought it said fats:).
It's worth a look. Thanks.
I never talked about his actual record except for the one included in the article. THAT record is deplorable.
and refuting your biased comments,
You have not refuted my bias against politicians who propose dangerous policies.
is now "hero worship?"
Please tell me the last time you criticized either of the Bush brothers.
Next time I will totally toss out the facts, as you do.
Nah, just keep making them up as you go along, it's a better style for you.
Civil society and the church programs are a better possible solution.
Not every problem cries out for a force based government "solution". In fact, almost none do.
I never expressed any dislike for the program.
We should make every effort to promote good fatherhood and recognize good fathers. I sure appreciate them when I see examples of it and let the dads know it too. I let my dad know how much I appreciate him all the time too. After all I was the "experiment." After their experience with me, it took my parents 7 more times before they got it all down:).
I agree. Society is in trouble without strong familes which include fathers.
I am a father and a grandfather. I did my best with God's help and so far my children have turned out well.
And I did it all without a government gun to my head.
Moral Absolutes Ping.
The fact that many liberals don't understand the connection between the vast number of what used to be called broken families, and high levels of all kinds of miseries such as juvenile crime, drug use, promiscuity, and all manner of behavior and emotional problems shows that they either are terminally stupid, or they like the result somehow.
Furthers the breakdown of society to usher in the socialist revolution, or what? The only conclusion I can come to is they applaud the breakdown of the natural family for their own dark reasons.
Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.
Darn-tootin'. My dad did the same as you. In fact, none of us have ever come back to live at home either (though the doors would be open, it's almost a matter of pride for us kids). The older I get, the more my dad knows. My dad and mom raised the 8 of us in the best way possible. They taught us to be appreciative of the things we have and to strive have God, family, country, and in doing our best to be among the focuses of our lives. My mom and dad's geatest wish was that we "all be good kids." None of us went to Harvard, spoke Latin, got filthy rich, etc. But all of us have done decent in life, are strong in our faith, are successful in our chosen occupations, recognize the value of families, etc. And so far we're all "good kids." I do wonder about myself though.
There is no greater privilege for a man than being a father. I hope to have that opportunity someday to be a father. I've been waiting a while. For now, I can learn from the many good fathers I see around me and from my own father and grandfather.
Congratulations on being successful at both!!!
BTW, although both of you seem to dislike the idea of this program, I will put the same question to you that I ask the political opposition to Gov Bush -- what is your BETTER solution to this problem of absentee fathers? Just ignore it and hope it goes away? Because I can tell you that doesn't work.
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Government is not the solution. Government is the problem.
- Ronald Reagan
Socialism is breaking up families and is the reason for low fatherhood, especially among african americans.
http://www.neoperspectives.com/summary.htm
The charts there and on the main paper should illustrate this.
Stop government aid to poor families and we will see a natural revitalization of the family and indeed, religion.
Thank you. And good luck.
Thank YOU!
Talking to you is like talking to the worst extremist on a left wing site. You misrepresent your past statements, you make personal attacks, and you seems to delight in being as rude as you can. But, you see, I am not impressed by your lies and your tactics. So, you see - you failed. Have a great day!
Feel free to point them out.
you make personal attacks,
Feel free to point them out.
and you seems to delight in being as rude as you can.
Plain talk is not rude.
And I understand the whole "government is NOT the solution to every problem" stance.
You should oppose all government interference in religion and all unconstitutional government involvement in societal problems. Of course, if you are a liberal, then you have the correct position.
The principles of the founding of the country do not include government involvement in families except to leave them alone. Government screwed this up and caused the problems you describe. The soulution is not government involvement in religion, the solution is to stop causing the problems by going in the right direction on abolishing the programs.
C. S. Lewis once noted that if you took the wrong fork in the road, it is not progress to keep marching forward after you realized your mistake. Real progress, argued Lewis, is to head back to the fork.
I don't know the "best" solution, but if a program exists that brings fathers back into the picture, and it educates parents in some way, and makes their marriage and families stronger, and it rests on principles that relate to the founding of this country, I find I can not oppose it.
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Well, we all agree about the tradgey of not having fathers around. But I still think it is not helpful to look at the problem and say "What can we do to bring fathers back?", but rather, "Why are they staying away?" and "What is causing this problem already?"
Why is the black and white rate of single motherhood so different? To offer a solution, you need to know what is causing the problem. Government is causing the problem.
Perhaps the link I posted didn't explain it well enough, but if you get a chance to skim some of the charts on the main paper I think it is pretty clear what is causing, or at least, is the major contributer to this problem. Government programs to the poor (and indeed all people), welfare, health, housing, money, subsidies, need to be eliminated and/or phased out.
To offer solutions without getting rid of these things will most likely be counter productive and is doomed to failure from the onset.
'course, it all sounds like great fun, which is why politicians love these sorts of programs.
Crowning will not take place in 2008. Rather, we will go thru an electoral process.
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