Posted on 07/08/2005 5:53:22 AM PDT by Valin
Al Franken and The Boston Globe's Tom Oliphant explain it all for you, or, how to try to use the London massacre to attack George Bush even as you reveal basic confusion about the enemy and a deeply embarassing lack of logic and fact.
The Boston Globe's Thomas Oliphant, on Al Franken's Air America show, this morning:
Oliphant: We'll I'll tell you something, Porter Goss, at the CIA right now, is probably scared to death that there might be a revelation in the next few days that some of the people involved in this had moved across international borders. Because if this wasn't a completely home grown thing, the question arises, given the logistics of arranging horrific attacks like this, after four years, how could we have picked up nothing again?
Franken: This is where I am going to disagree with you, because this seems to be your thrust about what happened today. And I think that, and I buy this, and maybe I am naive, that you gotta bat 1,000 and they just got to bat 1. You know, and I don't know what's been stopped and I don't know any way we can know what's been stopped. We don't know. We had Jane Mayer on talking about the abuse at Gitmo, and there's no way to know because they are so secretive, this is the most secretive Adminsitration, we don't know, they say, they've saved American lives from their interrogations there. We don't know that. We don't know if it has cost us in terms of getting information, because it is the wrong way to get information.
Oliphant: That's right, and because of Congress now we have no way to really rigorously oversee what the intelligence community does so we can come to an evaluation about its effectiveness. But all you have to do is look at the pictures from London, imagine the logisitical work that was necessary to arrange four coordinated attacks within an hour, imagine that a few of these people might have come into Britain in recent weeks or months, and you wonder, what use has this allegedly smooth functioning system, erected over the past four years, what, what's its value? That's the short term consideration. And then you look at the longer term political and diplomatic issues that involve the sea from which these people come, and you ask, are we making enough progress on the basic issues that create the environment out of which terrorism emerges...
Franken: Or have we made things worse...
Oliphant: Or have they gone in the wrong direction...
Franken: Right
Oliphant: In other words, imagine whoever did this, let's assume for a second that the authroties are correct, that it appears to be jihadists, um, were they inspired by the American occupation in Iraq? The middle east situation? What was it?
Franken: I mean, Rumsfeld himself said, openly, a couple years ago, we don't know if we are creating more or less in Iraq.
Oliphant: Not only that, he's begun to acknowledge that our very presence in Iraq, ah, ah, one reason that he doesn't want to increase the force level is to increase the magnitude of the American occupation and its impact in Iraq.
Franken: And, on the other hand, they just killed, you know, Zarqawi's people just killed the Egyptian envoy.
Oliphant: Yes they did, and they just missed on a couple of other hits.
Franken: So these are monsters. We are dealing with monsters.
Oliphant: Yes we are, but not very well in my opinion. And, um, what I think is so awful, in the short term, is that we don't see, is this culture that lacks acountability in the United States, just fascinates me.
Franken: You are talking about the Administration?
Oliphant: Yes! And Congress is complicit in this. And I don't care whether you are talking about 9/11 itself, the run-up to the war in Iraq, or the insurgency since then.
Franken: And that's why the [president's] speech [last week] just fried me, because there was not one acknowledgement of a mistake that they've ever made, and it was the same old crap.
Oliphant: If that fries you, then get get ready, because there is going to be a blitz, you watch, from here, ah, about how, despite what happened today, we're in fact making great progress in the international war on terror, to which I say, bunkum."
Moonbat alert!
Yet, you choose to believe that there was, in fact, abuse. You're an idiot, Stewart. Way to let facts sway your opinion.
Butt buddies patting each other on the back.
"you gotta bat 1,000 and they just got to bat 1."
Franken gets one thing right.
I bet someone yesterday that it would take two days for them to blame Bush for London. Guess I lost that one.
Message to American liberals: cut the bull excrement. Shut up. Arab terrorists did this and they did it because they hate us. You don't see Londoners engaging in this "wet pants, run home to mummy" behaviour and we actually experienced the bombs. All you see is our resolve to carry on, and defeat them.
So, in other words, go away.
Regards, Ivan
Seems Oliphant has sand in his vagina again.
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
Well the answer is more and thats by design. Iraq is the bait and we are sucking them into Iraq where we're fighting them there rather than NY etc etc These dimwits dont even see what's going on. The WH has inferred this but has to soft-pedal it because the new Iraqi admin could understandably be upset by statements that their country is in effect, terrorist bait.
I'm sure both listeners were quite impressed.
For these....people(?) it's all about Bush, and the fact that
1 He's an idiot
2 He's an evil genius
3 NOT Bill Clinton
The islamic terrorists are amatures when compared to the fanaticism of WWII Japan. We beat Japan only by crushing the entire cult that considered the emperor a god.
You think you may be naive for buying this???? Some one needs to bat a 1,000 on this Moonbat...
If I had been there I would have had an urge to turn a garden hose on them...I don't know why...just seems like the right thing to do.
Tom Oliphant is a pussy and Al Franken is a meathead.
Phew. Feel better now.
Franken: So these are monsters. We are dealing with monsters.
Rove was right on the money with his comparison of democrats and Republicans on the terrorism issue.
The left is against detaining suspected terrorist, much less interrogating them, they are against engaging terrorist in combat, they are against Homeland Security, yet they acknowledge that we are "dealing with monsters".
Assuming that Franken was referring to the terrorist in the above statement (and not the administration), I'm wondering just exactly how the lefties propose dealing with terrorism?
The left has painted themselves in a corner (again) and thank God that the gigolo, Kerry, is not in the White House with this gang of idiots leading a reverse charge when confronted by the terrorist.
Man, capitulation, fear, aquieccence must be part of their (Liberals) DNA! How else do you explain their absurd position? One day science will find a "liberal" gene that makes people have these ridiculous ideas and guess what, they will demand special status. I say to hell with that!
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