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Boston Globe Columnist: U.S. Not Worthy of July 4th Celebrations ( James Carroll )
MRC ^ | July 7, 2005 | BrentBaker

Posted on 07/07/2005 11:51:19 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay

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James Carroll: The war against Islam is a war of one civilization against another -- as Samuel Huntington articulated so explicitly, before the war actually broke out, in his "Clash of Civilizations." That thesis defines Christian, Western, European civilization as besieged, especially by Islam.

That paranoid, Manichaean mindset has Europe in its grip in some very powerful ways, and now the United States has joined it. This 21st Century war against Islam is the issue. The war in Iraq is making America the enemy of Muslims. And radical Muslim movements are on the upswing because of us. Because of us, not because of the jihadists from Saudi Arabia.

In our lifetimes, Islam has been a dozen different things. Islam in Indonesia, Islam in India, Islam in Bangladesh -- all very different from Islam in Saudi Arabia or Iran. Islam in China is very different. And yet all Muslims have reason now to suspect that they’ve been targeted in this broad, sweeping war of civilization, articulated by Huntington, and now really being waged by the Pentagon. It’s a terrible mistake, and it’s going to put its stamp on the 21st Century. It’s a nightmare.

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1 posted on 07/07/2005 11:51:22 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

PING!


2 posted on 07/07/2005 11:53:21 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

These idiots are so tedious. At least the guy comes across as an unvarnished anti-American, sans the usual lipservice from the left about "love of country."


3 posted on 07/07/2005 11:53:48 AM PDT by My2Cents ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Ah, I was waiting for the Democratic response to the fireworks ever since the last cannonshot of the 1812 Overture in Washington DC.

Here it is.


4 posted on 07/07/2005 11:54:51 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: fight_truth_decay
Not a less innocent one, because American innocence was never the truth.

An idea that obsesses the liberals. I've never once--not ONCE--heard a conservative talk about American innocence. But the left, which worships the imaginary "childlike" innocence as being a folk song-singing outstretched hand holding "bread" or "comfort" can't get over these ridiculous myths.

Carroll is adamantly anti-American and anti-Catholic, to boot. No wonder the Globe loves him.

5 posted on 07/07/2005 11:55:14 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (6/30/05 budget deficit down http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0620/p17s01-cogn.html)
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To: fight_truth_decay
James Carroll: The war against Islam is a war of one civilization against another

Bull. The clash is a war between civilization and barbarism, and anyone who fails to see that isn't fit to be included among the *civilized.*

6 posted on 07/07/2005 11:55:28 AM PDT by My2Cents ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Darkwolf377

He must be a ghostwriter for Howard Dean.


7 posted on 07/07/2005 11:56:14 AM PDT by My2Cents ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: fight_truth_decay
The war in Iraq is making America the enemy of Muslims. And radical Muslim movements are on the upswing because of us. Because of us, not because of the jihadists from Saudi Arabia.

Did this a$$hole just wake up ala Rip Van Winkle? Hey Carroll! What about the last 50 years (acutally the last 1400 years)? What part of submission don't you understand? Sheesh.

I guess being a dickhead comes easy to some people.

5.56mm

8 posted on 07/07/2005 11:56:53 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: fight_truth_decay

"Can we think about what, exactly, we were celebrating?"

Freedom, country, courage, our ancestors, the valiant dead who defended our country from its enemies, our children who will inherit what we leave them?

We sure weren't celebrating James Carroll and his friends.


9 posted on 07/07/2005 11:57:24 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: fight_truth_decay

If this doofus has to ask (whether rhetorically or literally) what we are celebrating, then he's not the kind of American worth sacrificing a single soldier's life for.


10 posted on 07/07/2005 11:57:59 AM PDT by kromike
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To: fight_truth_decay

Who is James Carroll and why do we give d@mn what he thinks? Esp. since he seems to be from the PRM that continually re-elects scum like Ted Kennedy?


11 posted on 07/07/2005 12:00:02 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: My2Cents

Carroll is a learned man whose ethics are truly bizarre, to me. He lives in that imaginary planet where if only we were all liberal, the world would be perfect. As a Bostonian I've been reading him for years, and I have to admit I don't think I've ever completely read ONE of his columns; the ignorance is too much for me to deal with. His view of human nature makes me suspect he's never held a blue collar job, never spent much time with people from varied opinions and socio-economic backgrounds, and only talks with people he knows share his worldview.


12 posted on 07/07/2005 12:04:11 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (6/30/05 budget deficit down http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0620/p17s01-cogn.html)
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At least the guy comes across as an unvarnished anti-American, sans the usual lipservice from the left about "love of country."

Too true. If everyone on the left was as honest about their true feelings about America as this jerk, the Dims would never win another election.

13 posted on 07/07/2005 12:04:24 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("...there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda." - Thomas Kean, chairman, 9/11 Commission)
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To: kromike

It is so terribly ironic that a schmuck like this can say dreadful things about the United States while our soldiers are defending his right to say such dreadful things. How dare he!

SOB, if he doesn't like it here, well, he ought to leave, go to Canada and get it over with - once an for all.

Phew. Feel better now.


14 posted on 07/07/2005 12:04:47 PM PDT by RexBeach (Pardon me, but is that a malaise sandwich in your pocket or are you just glad to be in a funk?)
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To: Darkwolf377
As a Bostonian I've been reading him for years

You must be a masochist. Carroll sucks on the same level as Derrick "Z" Jackson.

15 posted on 07/07/2005 12:05:48 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Little Ray
I am glad I know who he is, and what he feels along with his co-horts.

He is no better than OBL, he dehumanizes his political opponents to incite hate which leads to radicalism. And our young people is who he targets.

The left is who we will have to fight in the future.
16 posted on 07/07/2005 12:06:48 PM PDT by roses of sharon (,)
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To: MeanWestTexan

>>>Ah, I was waiting for the Democratic response to the fireworks ever since the last cannonshot of the 1812 Overture in Washington DC.

Speaking of the 1812 Overture, does anyone else think it odd that on the day on which we celebrate our independence from England one of the most played songs is an orchestral work by a Russian commemorating the victory of Russia in the Napoleonic Wars in 1812?


17 posted on 07/07/2005 12:13:08 PM PDT by NC28203
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To: fight_truth_decay
"The war in Iraq is making America the enemy of Muslims. And radical Muslim movements are on the upswing because of us. Because of us, not because of the jihadists from Saudi Arabia."

Oh yeah, if we'd only given Al Qaeda in Iraq therapy instead of shooting and bombing them, they wouldn't be murdering Egyptian Envoys in Baghdad or blowing up busses, trains, and subways in Spain and Britain.

Not!

18 posted on 07/07/2005 12:14:29 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Little Ray

James Carroll should log on to his ATEX terminal at the Globe and type "INIT DP:" That should do the trick.


19 posted on 07/07/2005 12:14:32 PM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: NC28203

Any music that requires cannons as percussion is OK with me.


20 posted on 07/07/2005 12:16:54 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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