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Really Cool Invention Brings Teens Awards (Amazing Kids-Invented What GM Couldn't)
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 07/06/2005 | Jessica Ravitz

Posted on 07/06/2005 8:33:43 AM PDT by skyman

Really cool invention brings teens awards Physics students: They came up with an environmentally friendly, economical air conditioner By Jessica Ravitz The Salt Lake Tribune Salt Lake Tribune

BLUFFDALE - The code name, Space Beast, was one they came up with in the wee hours of the night.

Tyler Lyon, Daniel Winegar and Chad Thornley were overtired and giddy as they tackled a science fair project. Their idea: Eliminate the use of Freon in automobile air-conditioning systems by relying on the Peltier effect - of course.

"We aren't planning our lives around making air conditioners," Lyon explained. "We wanted to do something to help the environment and the economy."

But what began as a Riverton High School physics class assignment nearly two years ago has morphed into an award-winning, internationally recognized invention.

Lyon and Winegar, two recent Riverton graduates - Thornley graduated in 2004 and is now on an LDS Church mission - won the first-ever Ricoh Sustainable Development Award in May when they competed against 1,400 other worldwide invitation-only entries at the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair in Phoenix.

Aside from the $50,000 college scholarship the two 18-year-olds will share, the budding engineers are jetting off to Japan today for a 10-day visit on Ricoh's dime. The office equipment and electronics company, a leader in the field of sustainable development, has invited the Utahns to attend the World Expo, address Ricoh executives, tour their research and development lab, meet with government officials - including the Minister of the Environment - and sit down with Tokyo University professors.

"It's been a total, unbelievable dream," marveled Tyler's mom, Diane Lyon, last week. "They're just typical boys. But when someone believes in you, amazing things can happen."

Physics teacher Kari Lewis, who recently left Riverton High, said trusting in Lyon and Winegar was easy.

"They came up with this idea . . . and they made it work," she said. "It's a perfect solution to an incredible problem."

Today, the young inventors say, U.S. drivers use about 7.9 billion gallons of fuel each year to run their air-conditioners, which draw power from the engine. By adopting their contraption - which taps into the electrical system, using fans to blow hot air through five Peltier chips and then releasing cold air - they say the country stands to save 3.9 billion gallons of fuel annually, or about $10 billion based on current gas prices.

Furthermore, the product would free drivers from Freon - which despite improvements, remains an ozone-depleting chemical in current air-conditioners. The Peltier chips, which they purchased on eBay for $9.99 each, have a life span of 20 to 30 years and an unfaltering cooling capacity. And like every component in the Space Beast, which can be minimized in size to about 2 inches in width, the chips are recyclable.

As a young boy, Lyon's parents said he tore apart and reassembled household electronics - CD players, clocks, an old stereo that didn't work until he fixed it. And while Daniel's mom, LouAnn Winegar, was grateful her son was "not a take-apart-person," she said her boy's love for science, engineering and computers has been consistent.

"It's nice to see all of his years of interest and hard work being recognized," she said.

The two-year process of fine-tuning, however, was not without its glitches. When the teens were trying to convert a blow-dryer fan from AC to DC power, a miswiring gave Lyon a doozy of a shock - "a low-enough amp that it couldn't really stop my heart," he said. And there was that computer power strip that they managed to ignite, before throwing it outside in the snow, only to retrieve it two days later to recycle its parts.

Despite the setbacks, and bouts of procrastination, the teens didn't give up. When they weren't playing computer games, skiing, snowboarding or, in Lyon's case, rock-climbing, they buckled down, sometimes working through the night. Their focus nearly cost them graduation - they had to scramble to make up work in other classes - but they accomplished what others couldn't.

After they had already begun their work, Lyon and Winegar learned about a 1964 General Motors analysis that explored the idea before the car company concluded it wasn't possible.

Going in with open minds, however, the teens were not deterred and pulled off what GM rejected. "Nobody told them it couldn't be done," Robert Lyon, Tyler's dad, said.

The first time he felt a cold gust of air successfully come through the system, Winegar said he remembers saying: "We may actually have something here."

Looks like they do. A Salt Lake City attorney is working to secure a patent. The Environmental Protection Agency called to express interest Tuesday morning. And though repeated attempts to communicate with Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. have gone unanswered, high officials in Japan - an ocean away - are awaiting the arrival of Riverton's young inventors.


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To: Kirkwood
It is absolutely inefficient if you don't need the extra output. You are just throwing away energy.

That's why they invented and use regulators on the charging system.

221 posted on 07/06/2005 1:54:55 PM PDT by rock58seg (RINO"s make the Republicans MINO"s (Majority In Name Only)!)
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To: coloradan
more fundamentally, to cool the interior of the vehicle on a hot day...more fundamentally, to cool the interior of the vehicle on a hot day.

A mid-sized car has about a 3 ton AC. That is about the size that is used in the average house.
Something like a Cadillac Escalade probably has a 5 ton unit.
That's a lot of cooling and I don't see these chips cooling an SUV sitting in the sun in the South on a summer day.

222 posted on 07/06/2005 1:58:49 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: myself6

I think you're wrong. My father is an electrical engineer who worked for Allegheny Power for over 30 years.

My brother works in a power station for the same company.

Both have told me that as the electrical load increases on a generator, more power is required to run it.

Not only that, if you've ever had a car that has an alternator that's about to go bad, you can literally hear the load that is put on the engine when doing something as simple as turning on the lights.


223 posted on 07/06/2005 2:06:59 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH ("My vertical jump increased almost 2 inches." - Donald Lancow (www.donaldlancow.com))
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To: myself6

Check this out:

"And, in case you are wondering, the amount of horsepower used to spin the alternator changes with output. When the alternators produce only a small amount of current, the horsepower drag is very small (less than 1/3 amp). Large amount of output causes more horsepower drag (about 3 or 4 horsepower to produce 120amps output). "

http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/howitworks.shtml


224 posted on 07/06/2005 2:19:26 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH ("My vertical jump increased almost 2 inches." - Donald Lancow (www.donaldlancow.com))
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To: itzmygun

ping


225 posted on 07/06/2005 2:32:47 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH ("My vertical jump increased almost 2 inches." - Donald Lancow (www.donaldlancow.com))
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To: Nov3
I still remember my dad cussing the engineer who took the vent windows out of his 71 Dodge Demon.

Your father should have gotten a '71 Maxwell's Demon. He'd have really had free A/C...

226 posted on 07/06/2005 3:00:09 PM PDT by null and void (You'll learn more on FR by accident, than other places by design)
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To: Old Professer
The electrical load is linear to the horsepower demand; 746 watts equals one horsepower minus frictional and resistive losses.

Rule of thumb: 1 kW ~ 1 HP (With the friction and heat losses)

227 posted on 07/06/2005 3:03:15 PM PDT by null and void (You'll learn more on FR by accident, than other places by design)
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To: null and void

LOL I have a Masters in Mechanical and I never heard that one.


228 posted on 07/06/2005 3:03:41 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Nov3

I made it up especially for you...


229 posted on 07/06/2005 3:05:44 PM PDT by null and void (You'll learn more on FR by accident, than other places by design)
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To: coloradan
Yep, I realize that.

I didn't think of the magnetic flux field created by the increased current flow reacting against the rotor.
230 posted on 07/06/2005 3:46:22 PM PDT by myself6 (Nazi = socialist , democrat=socialist , therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: frgoff
"I would bet that when you run the actual numbers, you'll find that using peltier chips actually reduces your gas mileage as the load on the alternator increases."

Compared to the load on the engine of running a compressor?? I don't think so........

231 posted on 07/06/2005 4:40:26 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: myself6

Glad to hear it. I noticed after posting my last reply to you that you had already admitted error.


232 posted on 07/06/2005 4:50:37 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Old Professer

Yes, although thermocouples are usually made of metal (e.g. iron - constantan) while Peltier effect devices are made of semiconductors (bismuth telluride relatives). I know you can make a thermopile, many thermocouples in series, but I think the charge carriers in metals are always electrons. In semiconductors, they can be plus and minus, so you can add outright the two effects in a pile, while in a metal you have to subtract, the metal with lesser effect reducing, but not completely canceling, the output from the other metal.


233 posted on 07/06/2005 4:55:33 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: JAKraig

An example is a worn alternator belt squealing due to the increased load when you put the headlights on...


234 posted on 07/06/2005 5:49:38 PM PDT by billakay
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To: RightOnline

Peltier chips require a LOT of electricity. The load on your alternator as it tries to put out 100 kilowatts would probably seize it up.


235 posted on 07/06/2005 6:07:44 PM PDT by frgoff
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To: brownsfan
But I would say, an alternator under load is not nearly as costly to run, in terms of mechanical load, as a running A/C compressor. It's not free energy, but it is low cost.

I believe that's because there's nothing like a 5 HP air conditioner unit sucking energy from the alternator. 5 HP is 3.72KW, or at 12V about 300 amps. That's lots of expensive and heavy copper to carry that load. I think the battery powered cars use 48V to avoid the wiring problem.

236 posted on 07/06/2005 6:38:13 PM PDT by slowhandluke
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To: Old Professer

1/4 HP I kinda believe, which isn't much compared to the engine load, but I just wonder what the real load at the alternator is. So many times these rated specs just don't touch reality.


237 posted on 07/06/2005 8:55:15 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: myself6

"Once turning, the alternator generates an electrical current. No matter the electrical load you place on the alternator the engine will NOT work harder. If the electrical load becomes to much for the alternator things will simply stop working. but the cost to run that specific alternator will not change (barring wear and tear on the bearings and sh-t like that)"

Now that is one ignint statement.


238 posted on 07/06/2005 9:20:20 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: coloradan

"Thermodynamics doesn't come into play here, although a toilet tank does exactly that to fill. "

Now that's even more ignint. Thermodynamics ALWAYS comes into play.


239 posted on 07/06/2005 9:32:57 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: null and void

The energy to charge the batteries, or rather the energy to run the generators that feed the peltiers are accounted for in the 4 billion gallons of fuel left over. Apparently this system is twice as efficient as standard AC, which of course means they still require energy, but only half as much.


240 posted on 07/06/2005 9:38:34 PM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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