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Amen!
1 posted on 07/06/2005 6:37:43 AM PDT by MurryMom
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To: MurryMom

I take it you don't actually know anyone who's devout.


2 posted on 07/06/2005 6:40:14 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: MurryMom; MeekOneGOP; Howlin; Dog; Peach

And I suppose you have absolutely nothing against the Islamic fundamentalists. You know, the ones who dress up their women in burqas, stone them to death if they get out of line, and believe that kidnapping and beheading civilians is a legitimate form of warfare.

But I reckon we've come to expect this from you by now.


3 posted on 07/06/2005 6:41:18 AM PDT by TBarnett34 (What part of "up or down" do you RINOs not understand?)
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booked


4 posted on 07/06/2005 6:42:46 AM PDT by since1868
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Knock knock.

"Jah sent me."
7 posted on 07/06/2005 6:49:02 AM PDT by evets (</sarcasm>)
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To: MurryMom

A Christ-hating, anti-religion screed posted by MurryMom? How shocking!


8 posted on 07/06/2005 6:49:14 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: MurryMom

Do you even know what "Amen" means?


This article does not represent Gods will, it is more a blasphemy of it.


9 posted on 07/06/2005 6:50:07 AM PDT by wallcrawlr ( Moderates = You're the wise middle. Like a spare tire around the fat waist of society.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; ohioWfan; Tribune7; Tolkien; GrandEagle; Right in Wisconsin; Dataman; ..
this article prob deserves less attention then I'm giving it but for those that may care to read about people that hate the God of the Bible here you go


Revelation 4:11
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10 posted on 07/06/2005 6:52:45 AM PDT by wallcrawlr ( Moderates = You're the wise middle. Like a spare tire around the fat waist of society.)
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To: MurryMom
On the first anniversary of the destruction of the World Trade Center, President Bush gave a speech in New York in which he said that the "ideal of America is the hope of all mankind." Six billion people on earth are not Americans; to call America their hope is, to put it mildly, hubristic.

Perhaps if the writer believed in literal readings, he would understand Bush's statement:

Bush didn't say "America is the hope of all mankind". He said "the IDEAL of America is the hope of all mankind."

That's liberty, freedom of speech, freedom of worship, self-sufficiency, government OF the people, and a lack of intermediaries between the people and government and God.

That's what people came and DO COME to America for, and that is the IDEAL of America.

12 posted on 07/06/2005 6:54:45 AM PDT by Crush T Velour
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To: MurryMom
All well and good on several points, but I've found over the years that those who challenge literalism usually have found some teachings in the Bible that they just don't like and would prefer to find a way around. Better to write them off as particular to the culture of the times, or to mistranslation, or to overzealous followers who exceeded their doctrinal authority. Some of my favorites:

* Jesus never really said he was God.
* In other, "hidden" texts, Jesus didn't perform miracles, you know.
* Paul obviously had a personal hangup with homosexuality. Jesus never said anything about it, and was too nice and loving to be mean to gays and expect them to be celibate.

15 posted on 07/06/2005 7:08:40 AM PDT by kezekiel
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To: MurryMom
What Fundamentalists Need for Their Salvation

The same One everyone needs for their salvation - Jesus

16 posted on 07/06/2005 7:11:09 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MurryMom

Amen to what exactly? There's so much 'stuff' going in all directions in this screed, it's hard to tell what it is that you are 'amening.'


17 posted on 07/06/2005 7:14:15 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MurryMom

Why do you hate those that love the Lord and try and serve Him to the best of their ability - even though they run the chance of insulting you by their zeal?

Would you prefer none do anything but sit around and contemplate their own faith? What about the instruction by Jesus to go into all the world and spread the gospel?

Does this mean you dispute what Jesus said to do to be saved? Do you say that Jesus and the Lord have no right to judge men as to their worthiness to live with God in eternity?

I agree on many of your points that true sense of peace and love of the Lord are often found more profoundly in nature and its beauty and wonders than in church or sermons.

But that is because men are doing the church and sermons with all their flaws. But why are they? Because they love man enough to want to show him Jesus and what Jesus means for their eternal life. Whereas you with your views care nothing for others - just your own view of peace.

So religion from your point-of-view does nothing to save other men - only yourself.

As far as the statements Bush made after the World Trade Center. So sorry he did not say the world thinks this or that. But - if you remember - America is the nation he leads - not the world. America is the nation attacked and that lost thousands of its citizens. He was right in his speech and he is right in his efforts for this country.

You handle the world and set about saving them with your views. President Bush and the American Christians will handle America.

We may make huge mistakes but the love is there for all of Americans as we see them travel a road of depravity and sin destroying this country. And, we will fight it.

Why? Because this country has been blessed by God and we have to make sure this country will continue to be blessed by God. We have to counter the mounting surge of Islam to take over this great land as they are taking over other nations.

Sitting back and enjoying the wonders of nature and condemning all evangicals will not save us from assault and will not try and show the world that God loves them and wants them to serve Him - not the devil.


18 posted on 07/06/2005 7:20:16 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Life is a God-given inalienable right to all Americans - not just the chosen ones.)
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To: MurryMom
Six billion people on earth are not Americans; to call America their hope is, to put it mildly, hubristic.

That's right! Every culture is equal!!

If some Nigerian girl is being afflicted genital mutiliation you must not judge!!

If a Chinese person is beaten because he or she belongs to an unapproved religion you must understand it's just part of the culture!!

Europe is not run by corrupt bureaucrats and Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro and Kim Il Song aren't bad just different!!

Tthe various dictators of Africa are just exhibting their uncontrollable virality and we merely feel threatened!!

How dare we Americans presume we hold out some kind of hope.

21 posted on 07/06/2005 7:24:17 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: MurryMom
Amen? Interesting. The few things he says that have a grain of truth are embedded in a giant pile of... ignorance. He obviously doesn't read his Bible, and fantasizes that Jesus is sorta like Ghandi, but with a big nose.

His statements about America are 99% false, and his statements about God and the Bible are 100% false.

22 posted on 07/06/2005 7:33:08 AM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: MurryMom

In the last days good will be called evil, and evil will be called good. Men will be lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God and will worship creation more than the Creator. --Jesus

You prove the point.


24 posted on 07/06/2005 7:34:09 AM PDT by bella1 (red county, blue state)
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To: MurryMom

So, now the 10 commandments and the general commandments found in the NT are also to be considered 'living breathing documents'???


26 posted on 07/06/2005 7:37:48 AM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: MurryMom

ROTFL! This paranoid person needs some SERIOUS help.


27 posted on 07/06/2005 7:54:17 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: MurryMom
Amen!

Every fundamentalist who believes there is just one Holy Book is ignoring the fact that the Christian Bible, Quran, Torah and Vedas are each considered to be that one Book, and the God of each faith has become the Empowerer of millions of potentially violent literalists. The proponents of all four faiths consider themselves chosen, they're all armed with nuclear weapons, and the zealots of each faith are prepared to kill in defense of their chosenness. This is why each faith stands in need not of a turning away from tradition, but of a compassion rebellion against the presumptuous "certainties" of the zealots within each tradition, and a universal recognition of the fact that the sigh within the prayer is the same in the heart of the Christian, the Muslim, the Hindu and the Jew.

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Typical anti-religion nonsense. To respond with an "Amen" seems confused at best.

Religion is not philosophy, and yes, there are "certainties" involved in our beliefs.

28 posted on 07/06/2005 8:00:54 AM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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To: MurryMom

"I hold the evangelical truth of our situation to be that contemporary politicized fundamentalists, including first and foremost those aimed at Empire and Armageddon, need us non-fundamentalists, mystics, ecosystem activists, unprogrammable artists, agnostic humanitarians, incorrigible writers, truth-telling musicians, incorruptible scientists, organic gardeners, slow food farmers, gay restaurateurs, wilderness visionaries, pagan preachers of sustainability, compassion-driven entrepreneurs, heartbroken Muslims, grief-stricken children, loving believers, loving disbelievers, peace-marching millions, and the One who loves us all in such a huge way that it is not going too far to say: they need us for their salvation."


How nice that this writer has found the way for our "salvation". Thanks, but if you don't mind I prefer to believe the Bible.


29 posted on 07/06/2005 8:09:43 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: MurryMom

This just expresses what the agnostic left believes about religion in general. It's based on ignorance of what real Christianity is all about. It is rooted in a man-centered view of things rather than a God-centered perspective. No one owns Jesus or a religion - Jesus owns us and the world.


32 posted on 07/06/2005 8:46:19 AM PDT by plain talk
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