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Is the Drug War a Conservative or Liberal Issue? (Warning: I am a Newbie to starting posts)
Sensei Ern

Posted on 07/05/2005 9:30:27 AM PDT by Sensei Ern

For many years, I have been a strong opponent of legalizing drugs. As you read this, remember that I am still against drug legalization, but I have more sympathy for the opposing argument.

The reason I have been opposed to drug legalization is to protect children. I grew up in a home that was one step up from a crack house..at least we had heat and food. I know first hand what can happen when a child lives in those conditions.

As a counter, I have always felt that use of tobacco and alcohol should be legal for those of a responsible age.

The reason I am considering a change is because of the pain I went through this last month. Four weeks ago, I had a root canal done on a tooth...it was Friday. Once the Novocain wore off, I was in serious pain because the doctor was inexperienced and left a partial root. I experienced pain worse than listening to Rosanne Barr sing the National Anthem. He forgot to write a prescription.

I called the emergency number only to be told I could see the doctor on Monday. TWO WHOLE DAYS IN EXTREME PAIN! I had some 800mg Ibuprofen in the medicine cabinet. That only took away enough pain to convince myself to not commit suicide to stop the pain.

On Monday, I was given a prescription of Tylenol 3 with Codeine and an antibiotic. That took away the pain. Until it ran out. Again, extreme pain. Another dentist did another root canal...and again did not get the whole root. I made sure he gave me a prescription for the pain, before I left the office.

Finally, when that ran out, and another dentist completed the root canal, the pain has subsided.

To be in the kind of debilitating pain I was in, cannot be described. Bill Cosby once talked about taking your bottom lip and pulling it over your head...that comes close.

I have always been an advocate of personal responsibility. That conflicted with knowing that some of the drugs offered today are so dangerous that they needed to be regulated. Then, I thought back about how things were a hundred years ago. The doctor prescribed a treatment, and you either made it yourself, or went to the pharmacist, who mixed up the more potential drugs.

Back then, the only regulation was, could you afford the cost? Drugs were available, and the pharmacist would determine whether you were abusing. If you OD'd on a drug from abuse, you died and life went on for others. But, you could get drugs if they were needed, and you did not have to wait until Monday. You didn't need to wait for approval from anyone to use a drug.

That is enough about that for the moment.

If drugs were to be legalized, they should be regulated like alcohol and cigarettes...have a legal purchasing age. Also, if you do harm to another while under the influence of anything, you should be held personally responsible...to the fullest extent, especially capital punishment for causing a death. If you are taking drugs to get high, strap yourself into a chair and sleep it off.

If drugs were immediately legalized, we could expect some immediate effects. For one, the drug addicts would run out and by everything, and we would have a rash of overdosing for about a month. The rest of us could then go on with our lives, only mourning the loss of a relative, instead of daily living with the horror of a drug addict in our lives.

Currently, I believe law enforcement should be stronger. But, I could be moved to undecided if I heard good arguments for the opposite.

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I wrote this a year ago. I was reminded after listening to Michael Graham talking about those in congress considering making sudafed, et al, over the counter drugs because they are a key ingredient in meth.

I wonder how many people would die from over dosing. I suspect it would level off around 3% of the population of the U. S. That is about 7.5 million. That is just a WAG, so I could be wrong.

1 posted on 07/05/2005 9:30:30 AM PDT by Sensei Ern
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To: Sensei Ern
"For many years, I have been a strong opponent of legalizing drugs."



I think decriminalizing drug use would be a better idea. Too many people sitting in jail for non-violent simple possession crimes. Let them out and make room for violent offenders.
2 posted on 07/05/2005 9:36:09 AM PDT by need_a_screen_name
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To: Sensei Ern
If drugs were to be legalized, they should be regulated like alcohol and cigarettes...have a legal purchasing age.

We already have what you desire. The doctor's prescription is the regulation and it also determines a legal purchasing age.

3 posted on 07/05/2005 9:36:58 AM PDT by Socratic (Liberal's motto: Capio ergo sum.)
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To: Sensei Ern
If drugs were to be legalized, they should be regulated like alcohol and cigarettes...

Libertarians are welcome, just don't expect a lot of support.

Ya might even get a "Troll" alert for such statements.

4 posted on 07/05/2005 9:37:00 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Sensei Ern
There are a number of Freepers in good standing who oppose the War On Drugs for various reasons. That is one of the issues that divides us here. It can get pretty contentious, but I think at the time, most agree to disagree politely, certainly not as bad as those Evolution vs Creationism threads!In general, I am a libertarian on the issue (against the WOD), but its not one of those things that is on the front burner, so to speak.
5 posted on 07/05/2005 9:38:30 AM PDT by Paradox (and then sometimes...)
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But... But... If we let people treat their own pain, then someone might get high. And we all know that the most important issue in America is to keep those damned druggies from getting high. It was worth selling out our Bill of Rights, doncha know. Every day I feel a creeping fear that someone, somewhere might be getting high. And we can stop that from happening with the perfect new law. I recently realized that if we put everyone in jail whether they have commited an offense or not, we could probably keep everyone from getting high.


6 posted on 07/05/2005 9:41:45 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Sensei Ern
Not bad for a "newbie" posting  =)

I don't use drugs and never will so I personally could not care less one way or another.  But ...

You make good points for advocating de-criminalization if drugs.  To me, it seems to be, "Why not"?  We are not stopping anyone from using them anyway and maybe we could take some of the tax burden off of smokers and drinkers and put it on drug users.

Question:  You screen name says "Senei", what are you a Sensei of?

7 posted on 07/05/2005 9:44:05 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: mysterio

Exactly!

Gotta make more laws you know. After all, thats what seperates Conservatives from Liberals right? Ooops!


8 posted on 07/05/2005 9:45:44 AM PDT by LongsforReagan (Not a Hannity Republican who just spouts talking points.)
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To: Sensei Ern

Oh boy, you asked for it... :-)


9 posted on 07/05/2005 9:46:59 AM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: need_a_screen_name
Too many people sitting in jail for non-violent simple possession crimes

Exactly.  Although I don't think they should be released outright because when they did it, it was illegal, but maybe lower the sentences.

I heard a story a long time ago about a guy selling a LOT of marijuana who got something like 40 years to life (or some such nonsense), yet convicted child molesters are free after a few years to molest again.

Our priorities are a bit warped.

10 posted on 07/05/2005 9:48:46 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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The problem is viewing all substances as "equal"...

Anyone with an IQ over 50 knows hemp isnt as harmful as coke heroin, meth, or even abused alchohol..

Another problem is unequal enforcement...a coke user will only test positive for about 24-48 hrs...a hemp user will test positive for up to 28 days...

While a coke user will exhibit behavior traits and screw up a job...chances are...the hemp user has a family and works 40 hours a week safely...

The biggest problem is the ill gotten booty the state "steals' under the guise of forfieture...the "property" is accused of the crime....and given to the state free of charge...in many cases...without a "person" ever being charged with a crime...

Those of us who believe in personal responsibility think those who actually screw up should be held responsible....while the rest would simply like to be left alone to enjoy their "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness"...

Until their actions directly effect another adversely....they should be left alone....and leave resources for more important tasks...

Like catching killers and baby rapers and the scum that go out of their way to adversely effect other people...

my 2.5 cents.

Your mileage may vary
11 posted on 07/05/2005 9:49:48 AM PDT by Crim (I may be a Mr "know it all"....but I'm also a Mr "forgot most of it"...)
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To: Sensei Ern
Another dentist did another root canal...and again did not get the whole root.

I find it unbelievable that a 2nd dentist also screwed up.

I also think your reasoning is specious. You went from debilitating pain, to thinking back to how drugs were prescribed 100 years ago, to legalizing drugs if you're of legal purchasing age. It doesn't quite ring true.

Nice try, though.

12 posted on 07/05/2005 9:50:33 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (We're living in the Dark Ages.)
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To: LongsforReagan
I also think if they create a 90 percent income tax across the board, we might just have enough money to keep everyone from getting high. We can put another million officers on the street to random drug test everyone at all times. There's no expectation of privacy in public.

And water is used in the making or growing of almost every drug. We need to keep it behind the counter and keep track of who is using too much of it. They might be growing drugs.
13 posted on 07/05/2005 9:50:34 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Paradox
I am a libertarian on the issue (against the WOD), but its not one of those things that is on the front burner, so to speak.

I fall into this camp too. There clearly is something wrong with a policy whose biggest proponents are the ones violating it (and getting rich). I would be content with the more libertarian approach or a far more draconian approach that made liberal use of the death penalty. What we are doing is a stupid waste of time, money and resources and we should have figured that out after 50 years of failure.

14 posted on 07/05/2005 9:50:53 AM PDT by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: Paradox
certainly not as bad as those Evolution vs Creationism threads

Or as bad as the Terri threads?  Those get very ugly!

15 posted on 07/05/2005 9:51:04 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

Yeah, he's just a dirty drug user who doesn't have pain at all. He just made it up so he could get high. We should track his IP and send the jackboots to kick his door in.


16 posted on 07/05/2005 9:52:07 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Sensei Ern
I called the emergency number only to be told I could see the doctor on Monday. TWO WHOLE DAYS IN EXTREME PAIN!

Not necessary. Go to an urgent care facility or the ER.

17 posted on 07/05/2005 9:52:14 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Sensei Ern
not sure legalizing or not would matter. kids often steal mom and dad's prescription drugs from home and half the little snots are now on Ritilin or similar stuff anyway.

got a problem, take a pill. hard to "just say no" when that's the way it is today and meth is easily made at home and readily available anywhere.

18 posted on 07/05/2005 9:52:39 AM PDT by Rakkasan1 (every day is a gift, that's why they call it the present.)
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To: Rakkasan1

There's no way meth can be a societal problem! We passed a law that made it illegal!


19 posted on 07/05/2005 9:53:42 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Sensei Ern
If drugs were to be legalized, they should be regulated like alcohol and cigarettes...have a legal purchasing age.

So you think stuff like crystal meth should be legalized and "regulated"?

20 posted on 07/05/2005 9:54:19 AM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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