Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Interesting stuff. DNA is providing great data for this kind of people tracking.
1 posted on 07/05/2005 6:34:21 AM PDT by Pharmboy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-22 next last
To: thefactor; blam; SunkenCiv; martin_fierro; aculeus

Ping...


2 posted on 07/05/2005 6:35:23 AM PDT by Pharmboy (There is no positive correlation between the ability to write, act, sing or dance and being right)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Pharmboy

i just knew that chiang had kicked them off the island!


just kidding!


do not wet your panties.


3 posted on 07/05/2005 6:36:15 AM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Pharmboy
Now the Communist Chinese government will claim that all the islands of the pacific are actually China's possession and call them rebel provinces, just like Taiwan.
4 posted on 07/05/2005 6:39:11 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (Bumper sticker "Martyrs or Marines: Who do YOU think will get the virgins?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Pharmboy

So where did the "first" woman live? Do the scientist know?


7 posted on 07/05/2005 6:52:22 AM PDT by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Pharmboy
Mitochondrial DNA...provides a kind of genetic clock
Their findings suggest that Taiwanese aboriginal populations have been genetically isolated from mainland Chinese for between 10,000 and 20,000 years...

Some clock.

8 posted on 07/05/2005 6:56:30 AM PDT by Graymatter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Pharmboy
If the current day Polynesians originated in Taiwan, what happened to the original inhabitants of these South Sea islands? Probably exterminated by the invading Taiwanese. This mean, someone is going to have to pay reparations to someone. But who and to whom?
11 posted on 07/05/2005 7:04:38 AM PDT by quadrant
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Pharmboy

bump!


15 posted on 07/05/2005 7:23:06 AM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Pharmboy

So much for the late Thor Heyerdahl's theories. Too bad, I liked them.


16 posted on 07/05/2005 7:32:53 AM PDT by Capriole (I don't have any problems that couldn't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Pharmboy

Anyone care to explain this reasoning? "No Y chromosome link has been found between the early residents of the island of Formosa and the Polynesians, which could suggest early Oceanic societies organized around wives and mothers."


18 posted on 07/05/2005 7:41:57 AM PDT by Graymatter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SunkenCiv

GGG ping


19 posted on 07/05/2005 7:46:02 AM PDT by Fractal Trader (Free Republic Energized - - The power of Intelligence on the Internet! Checked by Correkt Spel (TM))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Pharmboy; blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; StayAt HomeMother; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; asp1; ...
Thanks Pharmboy. To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest
-- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

23 posted on 07/05/2005 8:26:43 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

"No Y chromosome link has been found between the early residents of the island of Formosa and the Polynesians, which could suggest early Oceanic societies organized around wives and mothers, the researchers, who included a team at Estonian Biocenterin Tartu, Estonia, said."

No, what is says is, mtDNA isn't a reliable way to study anything. But even within that paradigm, what it says is, the men who differentiated the societies were from elsewhere in one or both places.


24 posted on 07/05/2005 8:29:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Pharmboy

Potential new cooking trend: Thai-Poly fusion.


25 posted on 07/05/2005 8:31:08 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Mexico, the 51st state.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Pharmboy

Uh Oh. The Chinese will now demand all of Polynesia as part of One China policy.


29 posted on 07/05/2005 11:08:41 AM PDT by wildbill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Pharmboy
Jared Diamond came to the same conclusion based on linquistic rather than DNA studies in is a excellent book, Guns, Germs and Steel.
33 posted on 07/05/2005 12:55:59 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Pharmboy

Hmmm. You really think the Chicoms want to fight the Samoans for Taiwan?


44 posted on 07/05/2005 8:06:10 PM PDT by RichInOC ("I mean he's got a weight problem...What's the n***a gonna do? He's Samoan.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Pharmboy; SunkenCiv

Mostly entertaining speculation, but some good pics here and discussion of Lapita pottery and the Melanesians and Polynesians.

http://users.on.net/~mkfenn/page6.htm

(There is also a page1, etc., on the topic; page6 has the pic of bearded man on Lapita pottery.)


51 posted on 07/16/2005 9:28:38 AM PDT by Graymatter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Pharmboy

Now if we REALLY wanted to throw a monkey wrench into the ChiCom's lust for global power, we would generate a liddle news item about how all the Indonesian peoples were originally from Taiwan, even mainland China itself.

Yeah, I want to see Beijing inform the biggest Muslim population on the planet that they must be "reunited" with Communist China.

Well, it makes for a nice daydream, anyway. ;)


52 posted on 07/16/2005 9:33:53 AM PDT by Mad Mammoth (Psssst!! Joe Wilson = Valerie Plame's Pimp Daddy. Pass it on.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Pharmboy
New finding disputes myth of early settlers

July 14 2005 at 09:52AM

Suva - Archaeologists think they have unearthed the first human settlement on the South Pacific island of Fiji, a find believed to be about 3 000 years old, the researchers said on Thursday.

The archaeologists found 16 human skeletons at a burial site at Bourewa, on the south-west of the main island of Viti Levu, said Patrick Nunn, professor of geography at the University of the South Pacific, located in the Fiji capital, Suva.

He said abundant evident at the site suggested that Bourewa was the first human settlement on the 340-island archipelago.

Pottery deliberately buried with or underneath the human remains was of the so-called Lapita style and dated from around 1050 BC, he noted.

'This represents an extraordinarily long ocean journey by the people that carried it' Nunn said the Lapita pottery fragments bear designs typical of the early Lapita period of about 1250 BC in Papua New Guinea and in the Solomon Islands to north-west of Fiji.

Since it was unusual to find such designs on Lapita pottery in Fiji, the suggestions was that the Bourewa settlers were probably a new settlement from the Santa Cruz island group in Solomon Islands chain rather than from another part of Fiji.

The finding throws into question a popular local myth that modern Fijians first landed on the west side of Viti Levu after voyaging from Africa's Tanganyika region, which borders modern-day Tanzania.

Nunn said an unexpected find in the burial site was a piece of obsidian almost certainly from a mine on the island of New Britain in Papua New Guinea.

"It was carried at least 4 500 kilometres to Bourewa, probably as a talisman. This represents an extraordinarily long ocean journey by the people that carried it," he said.

Obsidian is formed by molten volcanic lava coming in contact with water. Obsidian was used by ancient people as a cutting tool, for weapons, and for ceremonial purposes. It is sometimes found by archaeologists in excavations. - Sapa-AP

56 posted on 07/16/2005 8:29:17 PM PDT by blam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Pharmboy
New Lapita Find Re-Dates Known Fiji Settlers (Jomon/Ainu)
57 posted on 07/16/2005 8:34:45 PM PDT by blam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-22 next last

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson