[freedom44]

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[Congressman Billybob]

Thank you very much for posting this. We get so wrapped up in the here and now that we can forget geological time, in which yesterday (a mere 40,000 years ago) humans were in the Americas. Fascinating.

Congressman Billybob

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[Mr. Mojo]

“They are not very happy in North America. They are very wedded to the idea of colonisation 11,500 years ago.”

That does indeed appear to be the case. Scientists should welcome new data, but unfortunately many have emotional/financial attachments to old ideas.

[AntiGuv]

pre-clovis ping!

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Six feet, eh? Kinda argues against the fact that evolution is making us grow taller.

[ForGod'sSake]

“Our evidence of humans in America 40,000 years ago is irrefutable.”

That's gonna leave a mark I'm afraid. Liable to bunch up some underwear too.

[Drammach]

Excellent..

Any idea, is this the oldest evidence now?
I seem to recall that sites on the eastern seaboard are this age or older, but there hasn't been definite confirmed carbon dating..

If early man reached america, say, 50K years ago across the atlantic, then he could very well have spread down the coast to Mexico/Central America, etc..

Not ruling out the Japan-Taiwan-Polynesian hypothesis in the article, just think either, or both is possible..

[concentric circles]

Human left footprint showing toe impressions and slight heel impression.

Footprints preserved in volcanic ash.

The footprints were made shortly after the deposition of the Xalnene ash and were preserved as trace fossils by the relatively fast deposition of fine-grained lake-sediment as the lake later transgressed across the site.

Rock shelter overlooking Valsequillo basin. Several early Holocene human skeletons were buried in the rock shelter.

Palaeoenvironment of the Valsaquillo Basin, Mexico - University of Nottingham

The Oldest American? Footprints from the Past - Liverpool John Moores University - Bournemouth University

[Hank Rearden]

This will change the entire assumed history of the casino industry.

[Ahban]

So who were they, and what happened to them? If they really are 40K years old then genetic and other data indicates that they are not the ancestors of today's American Indians. Instead, they must have been from an ealier group that went extinct.

[commonasdirt]

Oddly enough, the footprints were headed north.

[SunkenCiv]

similar, but younger threads:

Mexico offers up ancient footprints (40,000 year old footprints)
Guardian (U.K.) | Tuesday July 5, 2005 | Maev Kennedy
Posted on 07/04/2005 11:15:36 PM PDT by nickcarraway
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1436677/posts

40,000-year-old footprint of first Americans
The Telegraph (U.K.) | 5-07-2005 | Roger Highfield
Posted on 07/05/2005 3:38:09 AM PDT by Renfielhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1436721/posts

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Freedom44. To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.

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[RightWhale]

This one made the radio news this morning. Are the 'original inhabitants' of the New World getting anxious yet?

[SunkenCiv]

The edition I have is about 50 years old, the quote from p 402:

Gods, Graves, and Scholars: The Story of Archaeology
by C. W. Ceram

Now, several of these pyramids located at different sites from Tula to Monte Alban have been discussed, yet one of the most important has yet to be mentioned. This is the Pyramid of Cuicuilco, which stands on a mound 22.4 feet high, situated at the southern limits of Mexico City. The Pyramid of Cuicuilco rises up out of a weird landscape of darkly stony aspect. At one time the volcanoes Ajusco and Xitli (perhaps only the latter) erupted. The god within the pyramid was apparently remiss in diverting the glowing flood of lava that flowed about the pyramid, for half the structure was drowned in bubbling muck. The archaeologists investigating this phenomenon called on colleagues from another faculty, the geologists, for help. How old is the lava, they inquired. The geologists, not realizing that their answer was knocking a world picture awry, answered: "Eight thousand years." ...Yet late research is more inclined to consider it false.

The persistent practice of underestimating human antiquity in the Americas, is a big problem (except for those who do it, of course), and I'm not going to call into question all geological dating practices, but be aware that these results will likely be derided as unreliable by some. Others will saddle on the results right away, in order to bury Clovis-First-and-Only in a well-deserved grave. However, if past practice is any guide, even if this date is accepted (with or without modification), it will become the new floor beneath which dates won't be accepted.

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[SunkenCiv]

Erectus in the Americas:

[SunkenCiv]

http://freerepublic.info/focus/keyword?k=preclovis

and...

Mexico Discovery Fuels Debate About Man's Origins
Deseret Morning News/Associated Press | 10-3-2004 | John Rice
Posted on 10/11/2004 6:04:15 PM PDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1242132/posts

First Americans - Homo Erectus in America
http://home.pacbell.net/tcbpfb/ | January 01, 1999 | Tom Baldwin (apparently)
Posted on 09/24/2004 7:54:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1226526/posts

[Question_Assumptions]

The last thing many "Native Americans" want to hear is that their ancestors replaced an earlier native population the same way settlers from the Old World replaced them.