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To: stop_rs2477
You need to listen to your peers. You cannot lawfully block our long established rights of way to access public lands. When you bought your land you did not buy that power.

--- the key to your mistake is the fact that my ranch was homesteaded by the first folks who came to the area. There weren't any long established right of ways across it, because nobody had been there to make them.

So you claim. Do you really believe no one ever crossed that land before it was homesteaded? -- But in any case, -- are you aware that homesteads were laid out so that the section lines were access easements? It is an arguable fact that anyone can use a section line easement to gain access to sections landlocked by the property in question.

Any road was made by the owner. Now that city folks want to drive ATVs and weekend hunters want to take a short cut, it suddenly becomes a "long established right of way".

Or it could be that the wannabe 'land barron' wants to gain control of access so he can sell suddenly valuable hunting rights to those weekend hunters..

Only someone with no sense of history, and no western roots would make such a claim.

Bull. - I'll match my historical roots with yours anyday.

In fact, if you knew your history you'd know that the vast majority of so-called "established roads" that cross private ranchland were made by ranchers for their own use.

I'd suggest you look up your rights to section lines. Try to tell me you can forbid access to owners of landlocked adjacent sections.

That's why "government confiscation" is the correct term for what you are promoting.

I'm promoting access to public lands for the publics use. You want to use private land to deny access to public lands. You don't have that power, and never had it.

31 posted on 07/20/2005 6:14:43 PM PDT by musanon
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To: musanon

"So you claim."

Yes, I do claim. If you think otherwise, then you need to prove it in court. Otherwise, your trespassing.

"Do you really believe no one ever crossed that land before it was homesteaded?"

Don't know, but some trapper or Indian going somewhere doesn't make an established right of way.

"are you aware that homesteads were laid out so that the section lines were access easements?"

You must be from the flatlands. Wouldn't work on the western slope of Colorado.

"It is an arguable fact that anyone can use a section line easement to gain access to sections landlocked by the property in question."

Nope. Maybe in Kansas or Texas, but not in western CO.

"Or it could be that the wannabe 'land barron' wants to gain control of access so he can sell suddenly valuable hunting rights to those weekend hunters."

My right. Land ownership carries certain rights, and that happens to be one if them. If that was what I wanted, I'd do it, but I don't care to have green city folks with guns on my land.

" Bull. - I'll match my historical roots with yours anyday."

Adam and Eve. Can you beat that? Or are you a monkey man?

"Try to tell me you can forbid access to owners of landlocked adjacent sections."

I'd never say that. Everyone has the right of access to their own property. That don't make it a public access thoguh.

"I'm promoting access to public lands for the publics use. You want to use private land to deny access to public lands. You don't have that power, and never had it"

Nope, I don't have that power. I can keep you from taking a short cut through my pasture or up one of my creeks, but I can't stop you from getting there on a public road by driving AROUND my property.



32 posted on 07/20/2005 6:33:25 PM PDT by stop_rs2477
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To: musanon

"So you claim."

Yes, I do claim. If you think otherwise, then you need to prove it in court. Otherwise, your trespassing.

"Do you really believe no one ever crossed that land before it was homesteaded?"

Don't know, but some trapper or Indian going somewhere doesn't make an established right of way.

"are you aware that homesteads were laid out so that the section lines were access easements?"

You must be from the flatlands. Wouldn't work on the western slope of Colorado.

"It is an arguable fact that anyone can use a section line easement to gain access to sections landlocked by the property in question."

Nope. Maybe in Kansas or Texas, but not in western CO.

"Or it could be that the wannabe 'land barron' wants to gain control of access so he can sell suddenly valuable hunting rights to those weekend hunters."

My right. Land ownership carries certain rights, and that happens to be one if them. If that was what I wanted, I'd do it, but I don't care to have green city folks with guns on my land.

" Bull. - I'll match my historical roots with yours anyday."

Adam and Eve. Can you beat that? Or are you a monkey man?

"Try to tell me you can forbid access to owners of landlocked adjacent sections."

I'd never say that. Everyone has the right of access to their own property. That don't make it a public access thoguh.

"I'm promoting access to public lands for the publics use. You want to use private land to deny access to public lands. You don't have that power, and never had it"

Nope, I don't have that power. I can keep you from taking a short cut through my pasture or up one of my creeks, but I can't stop you from getting there on a public road by driving AROUND my property.



33 posted on 07/20/2005 6:34:51 PM PDT by stop_rs2477
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