Posted on 07/04/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by TexKat
Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba.
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Helloooooooooo. This thread is not about you and what you would do or not do. I hardly think you're 18, oh sage one.
I'm not positive, but I think it was said that he could get 20 years but be out in 5 years. I'm also not sure if this is because he is a minor, so these are just some rough numbers.
I have to agree TexKat. Especially since we hear so much about how people come to these islands and just don't want to leave. I have seen that posted in many places. Seems to be why no one on the island was initially too concerned. They figured she would show up in a day or two. If they checked to see if she made definitive plans to leave it would help disspell the idea that she didn't want to leave.
Actually, I'm assuming that the authorities know more than they've revealed and may be doing a fair job, but they have no business criticizing Beth Twitty. I honestly believe that not for Beth, two innocent security guards would still be in prison and a young, probably guilty, Dutch youth would be free. While I'm not convinced the Kalpoe brothers are guilty of murder, or are even accessories, I do think they know what would help Beth find her daughter. They need to drop the "poor vicitimized me" routine and talk to the family.
Pardon me, but two days isn't squat. Would you entrust you child with a stranger you met two days prior in a foreign country and had a brief conversation with?
The question is not whether I would entrust my "child" but whether the "child" was making conscious decisions and whether she trusted her ride...Would you trust your child with Bill Clinton, President of the US before you knew of his shenanigans?
All one can do is be careful and trust their instincts, experience and training. Murderers and rapists many times know their victims and put on a good front or use props to aid in their schemes...
Her parents did say she was naive, so maybe that explains a lot.
That's news to me...mom even said she had a talk with her before she left...
....Had she been drugged, would that make a difference? How OBVIOUS would it have been to a drugged person?
We don't KNOW that she was drugged. We DO know that she got into a car with 3 strange men, two that she didn't know at all and one that she knew at best from two days prior.
We don't know all the facts, it is possible she met the other two with Joran at an earlier time. It is likely she was drugged, but we just don't know. A drugged person likely will not have all their faculties to use good judgement. Is that their fault?
People make mistakes but they are still victims of predators.
Yes, they are, that is why they are advised to be aware and cautious of strangers when in foreign countries. To NOT travel alone. To use good judgment
Good judgement does not mean perfect judgement...People don't ask to get raped or murdered, they are victims of predators, most of whom are very adept at what they do to gain confidence of the victim..it happens to careful, educated older people all the time.."confidence men" date rape happens all the time..should we blame the victim? I don't. Look at Jorans parents and friends all saying what a nice guy he is, should we believe them? His father a Justice employee, was a judge in training..where are the red flags? A rapist/murderer can be an angel 99.9% of the time before they go whacko...few people at age 17 have a long track record that is publicly available...
"Anything I've said that is critical of their recent behavior is not meant unkindly, at all."
Snort. Yeah, right.
Thanks for asking...he was eventually located and returned home. He was being held (not legally) at a remote location, some kind of a farm where he did manual labor. The story was that he was accused of some kind of drug trade wrongdoing and/or involvement with one of the local females. I never felt that I got the whole story but I did believe he was being held against his wishes...he would have never let his parents go so long without contact.
He he. I think she's kept busy these days spinning in aruba. Them crazy dutch folk.
Just because someone disagrees wit hyou doesn't mean that they are leftists. In fact, I thought conservatives believed in personal responsibility and leftists wanted to always lay blame onto others.
The same people defend the closed, unaccountable left leaning aruban govt., or the lying obstructing brothers, yada yada yada.
Would you like us to invade and overturn their system because you don't like their legal system? Is it ok for other nations/kingdoms to invade the US for that reason as well? We may not like their system, but it is their system and we have to deal with it. People are warned about knowing the laws of other countries when you prepare to enter them.
Now that you say it, I think I remember that too. I wonder if he gets any leniency due to Papa Sloot's position...? It seems like there isn't much to parenting on Aruba. Or maybe 18 is the drinking age.
While I personally don't believe that Natalee is still alive, it can't be ruled out. Just the thought that she's out there waiting to be rescued would be reason enough to drive me until I found her. I think that that possibility, however remote, could serve to restrict what the Twittys say publicly. And it makes the Kaipoe's refusal to talk with them all the more reprehensible.
Stealth troll!
Quit telling me to go back to the beginning. I have read ALL these threads. I have read ALL the posts. And yes, I do sometimes ask questions because with so many rumors abounding I try to make sure something is accurate. Course when I do ask, I get a 'get caught up', 'go back and read the threads', BS.
I've already shown and posted that TAXIS or CABS have lit lights on top, plus the first two letters on their plates indicating such. I can understand her not looking at the plate, but, not looking at the car??? Especially the top?? And what is whith the Aruba! Aruba! that her friends said she called out? With the windows so darn dark, how did they see Natalee?
We are right back to leaving the group and not paying attention to one's surroundings and not paying attention to the car. With a group behind her and a group ahead of her, all she had to do was yell out! She'd have had two groups aiding her.
"I'm not positive, but I think it was said that he could get 20 years but be out in 5 years. I'm also not sure if this is because he is a minor, so these are just some rough numbers."
Yeah, 20 years is about the max I've heard under Dutch law. But as long as it wasn't premeditated, and he's considered a minor it could be more like 5.
I think so, too.
Defending leftists tactics is a lefty thing to do. Attacking victims is a lefty thing to do. Period. Conservatives don't do either.
Hellooooooooooooooooo. If you had read ALL the posts you would know that I am not the only one on these threads that has commented on their own experiences and what they would or wouldn't have done!
But, you're one of a few who compare your own behavior with Natalee's, so as to slam her.
It's been pointed out to you that not all taxis DO have lites on top. The witnesses stated Natalee got into a cab. They said she was going back to HI. She was not one to change her mind at the last minute and go elsewhere. They said she leaned out the window and yelled. LOL! Go back and reread, or go start a safety thread.
You are fast wearing out your welcome here.
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