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Hollywood in 19 Week Slump (Looks good on them!)
AP Breaking News ^ | July 4, 2005 | David Germain

Posted on 07/04/2005 4:12:15 PM PDT by timsbella

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To: Borges

It's a spectacle, I'll give it that. But the script was inhuman -- machine made. I suspect they fussed with it and fussed with it until every single piece of individuality or quirky humanity was eliminated. The script radiated fear of making a mistake under the burden of $130 million. Compared to Independene Day with Will Smith, which had a lot of quirks and humaness to it, WOTW was a grim and sterile machine.

No doubt it'll make its money back, particularly in the international market, but I left the theater with a shrug and a "so what?"


41 posted on 07/04/2005 7:44:12 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell
Take away all the special effects and it makes Roger Corman look like Ibsen.

Wow!

A strong analogy, durasell!

Roger Corman may be known as "The King Of The Bs". I still have a warm spot in my heart for the original "The Little Shop Of Horrors", which was shot over a long weekend.

He also has an eye for talent (Bogdonovitch, Hopper, Scorcese, Coppola, De Palma, John Landis, Ron Howard. All started as "Roger Corman Commandoes") that's been proven to be Second To None.

Jack.

42 posted on 07/04/2005 7:51:32 PM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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To: durasell
I honestly didn't think the script was that bad. I twas functional. The main problem was the family problems weren't in any way integrated with the invasion story. In the way they were in say, James Cameron's Aliens. But it's more then jsut a spectacle. To have made a summer popcorn movie like this so determininedly grim with so much emotional baggage was a bold move. This movie is not going to appeal to many people and I predict it will become a cult item in the future. The humanity here is in the tone. And that shot where the camera pulls out of thier car window pulls ahead of them and then catches up with the car as it drives up is just awesome. As is the shot of the burning train. Not because of sfx but because of the direction. With a a director of meager abilities this movie would have been unwatchable.
43 posted on 07/04/2005 7:51:33 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Jack Deth

Throw in Joe Dante. And I believe Corman helped out Spielberg in the mid 60s as well.


44 posted on 07/04/2005 7:53:52 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Yes, the scenes with the car pulling away and the train were great "shots." But I don't go to a movie to see great shots, I go to see human beings.

Also, and I have to be perfectly honest here, as a New Yorker I objected to the referencing of 9/11. The dust and the pictures posted. I'm not going to go crazy about it and start ranting, but I did find it offensive.


45 posted on 07/04/2005 8:01:09 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: timsbella

The future is Video on Demand. Hollywood will premiere movies on High Def in your home theater.

Going to the movie theater will be a memory.


46 posted on 07/04/2005 8:02:22 PM PDT by Sabramerican (Sarcasm/Some here don't get it unless you spell it out)
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To: Jack Deth

Corman movies were always fun. They were fun because the people who made them were having fun. War of the Worlds was a big budget death march.


47 posted on 07/04/2005 8:03:37 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell

I could have done without the 'Wall of the missing' otherwise its almost impossible to make a movie about an urban calamity like that and not have those references pop up. There are visual allusions to the Holocaust as well. Have you read the novel? The movie is quite faithful to its spirit. The novel is Holocaustic.


48 posted on 07/04/2005 8:04:39 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Yes, and references to ET, i.e. the alien playing with the bike. Spielberg has spent waaay too much time being Spielberg. The guy needs a break.


49 posted on 07/04/2005 8:08:01 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Borges

You're quite right about Joe Dante. Borges.

Couldn't remember his name. Spielberg caught Corman's eye while Spielberg was at USC.

What was cool about Corman was that he'd write, direct and make a film. Sell it to distributors for strings of Drive-Ins. Take that money and make another film. A simple procedure that worked. Over and over again.

I guess that after attaining an Engineering Degree, Corman hated to waste time and money. Historically, Corman almost always brought in films under-time and under budget.

Jack.


50 posted on 07/04/2005 8:09:16 PM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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To: timsbella

Has anybody done an analysis of how much of Hollyweird's output consists of remakes, in comparison with earlier eras?

I'd like to see a decade by decade breakdown of remakes as a percentage of total output.

It seems to me that the percentage of remakes has shot up in the last two or three decades, but that's just my subjective perception.

Not letting that stand in my way, I hypothesize that the requirement for political correctness having trumped the requirement for talent, they just don't have very many of the kind of creative people they need to make good movies.

The left has always practiced far more blacklisting than was ever directed at them.


51 posted on 07/04/2005 8:10:29 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Jack Deth; Borges
Oh, for the days of diing Moguls and the 1970s!. When studio heads would give a truckful of of $$$ to a no-name, up and coming director to direct the movie he wanted!

Remember that only came about because Hollywood was in the crapper deeper than it is today, as nobody really wanted to see sh-t like "Paint Your Wagon."

52 posted on 07/04/2005 8:12:30 PM PDT by Clemenza (Make the Homies Say Ho and the Girlies Want to Scream!)
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To: FormerACLUmember

It's not just that Hollywood hasn't produced anything good...TV has produced excellent programs these past few years. I'd much rather stay home and TIVO anything on FX (The Shield, Nip/Tuck, Rescue Me) or HBO (The Sopranos, Deadwood) than go to a theather, spend twenty dollars and see something that disappoints me.


53 posted on 07/04/2005 8:13:04 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Jack Deth
It's been said that Corman's films in the late 50s and early 60s were precursors to the Hippie films of the late 60s and 70s. Usually a member of a younger generation would come to forcibly remove a member of an aging and decrepit generation...the latter usually being played by Vincent Price.
54 posted on 07/04/2005 8:13:17 PM PDT by Borges
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To: durasell
Ever see "Targets" or "Boxcar Bertha?"

My guilty pleasure has always been Russ Meyer.

55 posted on 07/04/2005 8:13:46 PM PDT by Clemenza (Make the Homies Say Ho and the Girlies Want to Scream!)
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To: Jack Deth

I believe that Corman never lost any money on any picture that he made.


56 posted on 07/04/2005 8:14:19 PM PDT by Clemenza (Make the Homies Say Ho and the Girlies Want to Scream!)
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To: timsbella

Gosh could it be that I wait till .99 new release rental day, to rent dvds of the actors who are not on my personal "blacklist"?

Often, I rent three or four movies and watch maybe one all the way to the end. I still save money from going to the theater.

Naw that couldn't be it.


57 posted on 07/04/2005 8:15:39 PM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound (God Bless America)
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To: Borges
the latter usually being played by Vincent Price.

Reminds me that I need to pick up the DVDs of "The Fall of the House of Usher" and the "Mask of the Red Death."

I'm just as pissed at the motion picture industry for not releasing "The Conformist," "The Spider Strategem," "The Seven Ups," and "Serial" on DVD.

58 posted on 07/04/2005 8:16:29 PM PDT by Clemenza (Make the Homies Say Ho and the Girlies Want to Scream!)
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To: Clemenza

the mid60s was such a bad time for American made movies that Meyer's 'Faster Pussycat Kill Kill' may be the best American film of the early to mid 60s. Either that or a couple of Sam Fuller films.


59 posted on 07/04/2005 8:16:37 PM PDT by Borges
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To: dsc

The rise of the re-makes is in direct proportion to the rise of budgets. Whenever big money gets involved there soon follows people who try to quantify the process with "rules" and "formulas" for success.

The one exception to this -- and let the flaming begin -- was Miramax. The Weinsteins, for all of their faults, genuinely loved movies and were capable of taking big risks.


60 posted on 07/04/2005 8:16:55 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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