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1 posted on 07/03/2005 3:35:44 PM PDT by Impeach98
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I'm a little disappointed in Fox News. This is their first report on the trip and they report on the criticism of the trip before they ever report to their viewers on the actual "Truth Tour" itself.

Shame on them...that's the tactic of the left-wing media... report on conservatives by reporting on how people say they are wrong/bad/evil.

2 posted on 07/03/2005 3:37:08 PM PDT by Impeach98
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the left has done their best to distort iraq to their advantage.

where do you think all those po' folks get new american flags, and nicely painted anti-u.s. signs? -- from the american journalists.


3 posted on 07/03/2005 3:38:24 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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"This is the most pathetic thing I've heard in a long time. They should be ashamed of themselves," Peter Beinart, editor of left-leaning The New Republic magazine, said,
"What's the matter? Don't they trust us?"


5 posted on 07/03/2005 3:40:10 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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They have no idea what journalism is, and to pretend they are journalists is laughable," Beinart said. "You do not achieve victory by not facing reality.

Guess it all depends on who is defining "reality".
6 posted on 07/03/2005 3:40:44 PM PDT by CO Gal (Liberals should be seen, but not heard..)
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The "critics" don't "get it." "Propaganda" is written by Leftist jugheads in the offices of the NYT and WaPo in New York. Going to Iraq to see for yourself is not "propaganda."


7 posted on 07/03/2005 3:40:52 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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Hey, pretty cool


10 posted on 07/03/2005 3:42:36 PM PDT by visualops (www.visualops.com)
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Ping


11 posted on 07/03/2005 3:42:49 PM PDT by Seeking the truth (0cents.com - Pajama Patrol Badges are here!)
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How dare these people go to Iraq to get a first-hand experience of what the war is really like!! They should just trust the mainstream ultra-liberal media. When has the liberal media ever been wrong?


16 posted on 07/03/2005 3:49:29 PM PDT by CaliGangsta
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How dare these people go to Iraq to get a first-hand experience of what the war is really like!! They should just trust the mainstream ultra-liberal media. When has the liberal media ever been wrong?


17 posted on 07/03/2005 3:49:39 PM PDT by CaliGangsta
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It just kills the leftist, anti-American elite media, when folks (conservative media), who truly care about our country and our service men and women, report the truth. It also kills the elite media that there might be another media out there that is rooting FOR the United States to win the war on terrorism and in Iraq, rather than against us. A neutral press, as they like to claim they are, serves no one but the enemy.
19 posted on 07/03/2005 4:00:31 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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(s)How dare talk radio bypass the legacy media.(/s)

FNC is too slow to report on this. What is it with FNC lately? It is as if they keep slipping in DNC talking points. (ie Suport Gonzalez, Weasely Clerk, Oreily's weaseling his harvard into his comentaries)


20 posted on 07/03/2005 4:05:22 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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FYI...


22 posted on 07/03/2005 4:11:04 PM PDT by ajolympian2004
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It will be curious to hear if Tony Snow mentions this on his radio show during the upcoming two weeks.


23 posted on 07/03/2005 4:12:54 PM PDT by ajolympian2004
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Oh my gosh, the lefties are flipping out over this.


29 posted on 07/03/2005 4:34:29 PM PDT by alnick ("I will continue to be guided by the advice that matters." GWB 6/28/05)
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...Peter Beinart, editor of left-leaning The New Republic magazine,...

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

32 posted on 07/03/2005 4:38:04 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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Good for them. Being a mom of a soldier in Iraq, I'm sick and tired of the media, Fox too, reporting on doom and gloom every chance they get. Millions are getting water, hospitals, schools and such, nary a word is said. Pathetic. We never hear of good news, except for the few and far between threads on FR that don't generate any discussion. I guess missing people and perverts generate ad revenue. Fox is now the official MPN.
33 posted on 07/03/2005 4:38:33 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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A contingent of conservatives talk radio hosts is headed to Iraq this month on a mission to report "the truth" about the war: American troops are winning, despite headlines to the contrary.
There are two kinds of journalists: "objective" ones and "conservative talk show hosts."
"Objective" belongs in scare quotes because the 'objectivity' is self-proclaimed - and it is arrogant to claim a virtue. The cabal of journalists who call themselves and each other "objective" will spend years trying to make a case against a conservative but will protect each other and those who go along and get along with themselves. For example, 60 Minutes' Ms. Mapes spent years trying to make the case, against all evidence, that Bush benefited from favoritism in TANG. In service of that objective 60 Minutes went public with its famous patent forgeries - and no so-called "objective" journalist will state the obvious facts that CBS was tendentiously wrong.

"Conservative talk show hosts" are not accepted as journalists by the so-called "objective" journalist because the former to not adhere to the go-along-and-get-along code of the latter. But "conservative talk show hosts" do in fact do journalism - it's just that their journalism is not restricted to only those reports which make good people look bad, and bad people look good. By accepting and adopting the label "conservative", talk show hosts admit that their point of view has a name - in contrast to the "objective" journalist who claims to be "objective" and above mere mortals who might disagree with their so-called "objective" perspective.

"Objective Journalists" are negative and superficial because their jobs depend on crying "Wolf!" So if the wolf is approaching or not, they can be relied on to yell - at regular intervals determined by their deadlines. "Objective Journalists are arrogant (think of CBS stonewalling the fact that their precious "memos" were fraudulent forgeries) because of their individual and collective propaganda power. And "objective" journalists are timid because despite their individual propaganda power, the collective of "objective" journalists have so much greater propaganda power and will attack mercilessly if the individual journalist fails to manifest solidarity (e.g., with CBS over the "TANG memos").

O’Sullivan’s First Law states that "All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing." Given the cynical, bullying nature of negative, superficial, arrogant and timid "objective journalism, it is no wonder that "objective journalism" pulls all but the most principled and courageous toward the left - and labels the principled and courageous "right wing extremists."


35 posted on 07/03/2005 4:43:02 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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Like the mainstream media has any credibility to tell us what the truth is. They get caught in more lies than the Klintons do.


63 posted on 07/03/2005 5:56:22 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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Morgan said the media is "imposing a Vietnam template on this war."

Yep. The war itself is nothing like Vietnam BUT the internal opposition to it is almost exactly the same as during the Vietnam war.

Just as then much of the "anti-war" movement wants America to lose. There's the same fanatical conviction that America has sinned (in liberating millions from torture and fascism, go figure) and must be chatised for her sins by the thwarting of her foreign policy... no matter how many Iraqis have to die in the process, and no matter how many other countries are subjected to similar evils in the aftermath.

64 posted on 07/03/2005 6:00:55 PM PDT by Stultis
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"This is the most pathetic thing I've heard in a long time. They should be ashamed of themselves," Peter Beinart, editor of left-leaning The New Republic magazine, said.

Let me get this right. Going in country to talk to those involved in the conflict is "pathetic" and not journalism. Making up stories from stateside is. Okay.

67 posted on 07/03/2005 6:06:48 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find.)
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