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Russia still 'Stalinist' says icon of Ukraine
Telegraph ^ | 02/07/2005 | Robin Gedye

Posted on 07/02/2005 6:27:50 AM PDT by Lukasz

Ukraine's new prime minister, Yulia Timoshenko, accused Russia yesterday of pursuing Stalinist methods.

The comments by the businesswoman turned icon of the "Orange Revolution" showed that strained relations between Kiev and Moscow have little chance of improving while she is in office.

Betraying contempt for Russia's political establishment, she described the refusal of its prosecutor-general to drop fraud charges against her as an "ineffective attempt to break unwanted politicians".

Mrs Timoshenko, 44, whose reformist zeal and distinctive braids won her heroine status alongside the presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko when they swept away the old order late last year, cancelled an official visit to Russia two months ago. She had been told that a warrant against her on fraud charges remained in force, and said yesterday that Russia was living in the past if it thought such methods would achieve results.

"Some Russian politicians still pursue out-dated Stalinist methods. But they do not understand that times have changed," she said.

"This is no longer an effective way to break people. Russia has to come to terms with the fact that Ukraine is a strong and independent country with strong, independent politicians."

Russia indicated that it would continue a criminal case against Mrs Timoshenko even though she was now Ukraine's prime minister.

She has rejected charges alleging that she wanted to inflate the price of gas contracts to the Russian military when she ran a gas company in the 1990s, a position that made her the richest businesswoman in the country.

Mrs Timoshenko now plans to restructure Ukraine's gas and oil supplies, which are still linked almost exclusively to Russia. "Perhaps [Russia's prosecution] have got to do with the fact that I am working hard to diversify our interests in the energy sector."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: russia; stalinism; tymoshenko; ukraine
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Tymoshenko has just outstanding statements, she probably never heard about diplomacy. :) Russian side of course is not much better, such a region…
1 posted on 07/02/2005 6:27:51 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Lukasz

Funny how the murder of several million of one's Countrymen can affect your perspective


2 posted on 07/02/2005 6:34:29 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

Tell it on the mountain. Thattaway girl!


3 posted on 07/02/2005 7:08:51 AM PDT by romanesq
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To: romanesq
Semyon Konstantinovich Timoshenko

Is she related to this guy?

4 posted on 07/02/2005 8:54:17 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: A. Pole; MarMema; Mount Athos; Lion in Winter; RusIvan; YoungCorps; OldCorps; FairOpinion; ...

What Ludasz fails to mention is that the current prime minster of the Ukraine, Yulia Tymoshenko, embezzled gas from Russia. She went from $0 net worth to $11.5 BILLION net worth in just 5 years. The Gas Princess has 4 jet planes and a company of Spetsnaz for body guards.


5 posted on 07/02/2005 10:28:08 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: GarySpFc

Yep. That's when they begin calling Putin a Stalinist. Right about the time he starts enforcing laws against criminals.


6 posted on 07/02/2005 10:34:03 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Lukasz; ncountylee; romanesq; Mike Darancette; GarySpFc; MarMema
Yulia Timoshenko is the real 'Stalinist' - her policies have ruined Ukraine's economy - starting with proce controls - how Communist of her. She is lashing back as she is failing.

Ukraine Churches Unite to Defend Christian Ethics Curriculum in Schools (Oranges cut Christians out)

(Ukraine Orange's) Betraying a Revolution

7 posted on 07/02/2005 11:17:40 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Lukasz; ValenB4; anonymoussierra; BrooklynGOP; TexConfederate1861; struwwelpeter; Destro; ...
Ukraine's new prime minister, Yulia Timoshenko, accused Russia yesterday of pursuing Stalinist methods

oh this is rich from the unabashed socialist who wants government set prices on the unfree market. Who keeps talking about taking back over 3,000+ businesses, etc.

Why am I not surprised that you find her agreeable?

8 posted on 07/02/2005 11:28:57 AM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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To: Lukasz
From ‘Casino Moscow’ by Matthew Brzezinski
The Free Press
Chapter 6 – Pg. 119-144 “The Eleven-Billion-Dollar-Woman”
Selected quotations from the book:

“Julia Timoshenko kept a total of twenty-two bodyguards on her payroll, all former Spetznaz commandos, graduates of the Red Army’s most elite killing academy.”

“The file on her was maddeningly thin, consisting of a few rumpled Ukrainian press clippings of dubious veracity and a number, underlined twice and adorned with large question marks. The number was $11,000,000,000, the gross revenue of Timoshenko’s virtually unknown Ukrainian company. … Not even Coca-Cola earned that much from its combined international sales.”

“… Could we have lunch later in the week? I quickly agreed.”
“Good,” she smiled. “It’s all set then. I’ll send the plane to you.”
Plane?
“You can fly down to Dnepropetrovsk in the morning, and the jet will bring you back to Moscow by six.”
I tried not to sound over-eager. “I can catch a commercial flight. I don’t want to tie up your company plane.”
“Don’t worry,” laughed Timoshenko. “I have four of them.”

As we drove along the tarmac, passing a gigantic Antonov cargo plane whose hold gaped open like the mouth of a feeding whale, a sparkling apparition came into view. It was Timoshenko’s jet. Its underbelly was painted gold, as was the lettering on the sleek dark-blue fuselage. The letters formed the words Unified Energy Systems of Ukraine, in English on side and in Ukrainian on the other. On the tailfin, rays of a painted sun formed a golden halo around the fiery UESU logo. “Have a nice flight.”

“Along the way, she struck up an alliance with Dnepropetrovsk’s regional governor, a wily former collective-farm boss by the name of Pavlo Lazarenko. (This was the very same Lazarenko who would end up in a San Francisco jail, charged with large-scale money laundering and receiving seventy-two million dollars directly from Timoshenko ….” “Lazarenko granted Timoshenko the provincial energy concession, making her de facto boss of hundreds of state enterprises, which functioned or shut down operations at her whim.”

“Timoshenko’s big break, however, came on the day of my mugging, when Lazarenko was appointed prime minister of Ukraine. One of his first moves in office was to wrest half a dozen lucrative energy concessions from several big private groups and give Timoshenko a nationawide monopoly on the import and distribution of Russian natural gas. “

“Thus UESU was born, and Timoshenko gained control over nearly 20 percent of Ukraine’s gross national product, an enviable position that probably no other private company in the world could boast.”

9 posted on 07/02/2005 11:38:43 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Lukasz
Ukraine's government The Viktor and Yulia show

"There have been sins of commission too, especially on economic policy. “They've been screwing up,” comments one western diplomat in Kiev. The most egregious example came when Ms Timoshenko—a formidable revolutionary, but a rash prime minister—imposed price caps on fuel, alleging an anti-Ukrainian conspiracy by Russian energy firms. Predictably, this measure led to fuel shortages. Mr Yushchenko's intervention to remove the caps provoked a contretemps; the president was rumoured to have suggested that the prime minister might consider resigning. Other missteps include a failure to pass the measures needed to get Ukraine into the World Trade Organisation."

10 posted on 07/02/2005 11:43:47 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: jb6

Timoshenko's a loose cannon and an incompetent. This Orange Revolution turned out to be a farce.


11 posted on 07/02/2005 12:46:32 PM PDT by ValenB4 ("Every system is perfectly designed to get the results it gets." - Isaac Asimov)
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To: GarySpFc
What Ludasz fails to mention is that the current prime minster of the Ukraine, Yulia Tymoshenko, embezzled gas from Russia. She went from $0 net worth to $11.5 BILLION net worth in just 5 years. The Gas Princess has 4 jet planes and a company of Spetsnaz for body guards.

Firstly, Lukasz did NOT wrote this article, secondary I don’t know if you read this it at all, because author mentioned about some allegations against her, unproved by the way. But personally I’m aware that not everything there was OK. You are not able to provide evidence how rich she is now, you know it Gary. Your number would suggest that she is more rich than every single Russian oligarch what is of course impossible, you are losing your credibility…
12 posted on 07/02/2005 1:20:42 PM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Destro
Ukraine Churches Unite to Defend Christian Ethics Curriculum in Schools (Oranges cut Christians out)

You are a bit outdated, I have very positive news for you:

Ukraine To Teach Morals, Faith In Schools. Classes Will Be Voluntary

(Ukraine Orange's) Betraying a Revolution

Author Anders Aslund?? I read that he is great Soros supporter, you too?
13 posted on 07/02/2005 1:27:55 PM PDT by Lukasz
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To: jb6
oh this is rich from the unabashed socialist who wants government set prices on the unfree market. Who keeps talking about taking back over 3,000+ businesses, etc. Why am I not surprised that you find her agreeable?

I don’t trust Tymoshenko, fortunetly Yushchenko is the one who is really important in this country. And as you know very well he is opposition to her drastic ideas.
14 posted on 07/02/2005 1:30:25 PM PDT by Lukasz
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To: MarMema
From ‘Casino Moscow’ by Matthew Brzezinski

Destro is posting articles of some Soros supporters, and you opinion from Brzezinski’s book. I through that you dislike and don’t trust them, I was wrong? I repeat that I don't trust Tymoshenko although she has good influence for Russia, from Polish perspective.
15 posted on 07/02/2005 1:34:53 PM PDT by Lukasz
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To: ValenB4
This Orange Revolution turned out to be a farce.

All guys who claim now that it was a farce, from the beginning supported Kremlin’s controlled candidate. We may judge them after cadency and not now after few months.
16 posted on 07/02/2005 1:37:59 PM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Lukasz
Firstly, Lukasz did NOT wrote this article, secondary I don’t know if you read this it at all, because author mentioned about some allegations against her, unproved by the way. But personally I’m aware that not everything there was OK. You are not able to provide evidence how rich she is now, you know it Gary. Your number would suggest that she is more rich than every single Russian oligarch what is of course impossible, you are losing your credibility…

Firstly, I never said you wrote the article, but in posting it you failed to mention the woman's proclivity for evil. Secondly, the only reason the allegations against Tymoshenko are unproven is she is unwilling to go to court in Russia. Let's see, her husband and other family members are wanted by Interpol, but the Mafia Gas Princess will not tell where they are located. Maybe she got her four jet airplanes by winning the local church's bingo game.
17 posted on 07/02/2005 2:49:14 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Lukasz

Thanks for posting Lukasz. I know of no requirement for you to substantiate anything about anyone in an article written by someone else.

Those of us who read are responsible to understand what's being said and judge the authorship as well as what the posters support.

Not everyone is in favor of liberty for all. Russia and Russia lovers head the lists.

Ukraine may need to grow into freedom and they may have to keep some scummy company until they can decide who is a builder, who is a profiteer and who intends to destroy their bid for true independence no maatter the source. It is also hard to untangle webs of the destroyer types so that takes time and clear sighted faithfulness.


18 posted on 07/02/2005 3:57:28 PM PDT by Spirited
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To: Spirited
Not everyone is in favor of liberty for all. Russia and Russia lovers head the lists.

I don't think I have ever seen such an open admission of russophobia.

19 posted on 07/02/2005 6:30:04 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Spirited
I am all for democracy and independence for the Ukraine, and freedom from Russia and/or Poland and Europeif that be their desire. That said, not everyone in the Ukraine wanted to be under Yushchenko, and it was obvious to some that Tymoshenko was crooked. The results of the election were questionable to both sides. Soros plan to overthrow the election in America by claiming fraud failed, but his plans worked in Georgia and the Ukraine. To those who believe in prayer let's pray the people on each side find some way to unify and be one.
20 posted on 07/02/2005 6:50:05 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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