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Billy Grahm denies that Christ is the only way to salvation.
Radio Broadcast of Cross Talk America ^ | May 11 05 | Dr. David DiCano

Posted on 07/01/2005 9:55:00 AM PDT by Rhadaghast

May 11, 2005 Host: Vic Eliason Topic: False Doctrine Guest: David DiCanio Description: Dr. David DiCanio is Pastor of Columbine Free Presbyterian Church in Columbine, Colorado, and is involved in Christian Media, which produces television-style documentaries on religious trends and movements. Vic Eliason presents two audio cuts. One features Robert Schuller being interviewed by Dr. David DiCanio after giving a keynote address at the 2004 National Association of Evangelicals meeting. The other cut features Robert Schuller interviewing Billy Graham. The two discuss their views concerning how people are saved.

Dr. DiCanio interacts with callers to discuss the opinions expressed by Schuller and Graham and the current move of some leaders in Christianity to preach a gospel that teaches salvation apart from a conscious, biblical awareness of Christ as the only way to God.

Contact Info: info@thechristianmedia.com www.thechristianmedia.com

Rare recordings of great preachers of the past are posted by Dr. DiCanio's church at

http://www.sermonaudio.com/columbine Listen: RealAudio Windows Media


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: billygraham; christalone; clergylaityntwk; donargue; donjones; john146; nattlcnclochurches; postedtowrongforum
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To: Mulch

I won't quote you.


281 posted on 07/01/2005 1:20:35 PM PDT by cherrytoes (Life is - you know...)
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To: cherrytoes
I think the story of Abraham and Isaac can work to illustrate my point and then we can leave it here if you want. Here is a man, that was willing to sacrifice his son for God. Think of the love that it would take to sacrifice your own flesh and blood. There would be no greater love than that. Agreed?
282 posted on 07/01/2005 1:22:47 PM PDT by Mulch (tm)
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To: Theo; Mulch

Thanks Theo, you are absolutely right, great verse too.


283 posted on 07/01/2005 1:23:31 PM PDT by cherrytoes (Life is - you know...)
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To: sr4402

I would not presume to say what Mr. Graham "should have said". His credentials as a Christian must certainly be greater than mine. I think that if you take all his words completely in context with each other, as one complete conversation, I think he was not disagreeing with you.

He just did not say it the way you wanted to hear it. I think he and others are actually talking exactly about that issue.

He is talking about God and faith and the honest and actual spiritual experience of people who know themselves as seekers of God - as opposed to an intellectual disposition about God - and you are talking about religion.


284 posted on 07/01/2005 1:25:38 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: All

People. This is a good thread with good discussion.

Please keep it edifying.

Question each other in love.


285 posted on 07/01/2005 1:25:39 PM PDT by wallcrawlr ( Moderates = You're the wise middle. Like a spare tire around the fat waist of society.)
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To: Rhadaghast
What does old Billy not understand about the unambiguous words of our Lord?

"I am the way, the truth, and the life."

"No one gets to the Father, but through me."

286 posted on 07/01/2005 1:35:22 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: k2blader
I don't see how anyone can argue with that unless he claims to know exactly how God determines the salvation of those who, as mentioned before, have *never* heard the gospel message.

I believe I'm with you. God is God.

From Romans 9:
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all!
15 For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.


God will do whatever He wants to do. It's not up to us to decide.
287 posted on 07/01/2005 1:38:44 PM PDT by Texas2step (<><)
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To: AaronInCarolina
I respectfully reject this philosophy as completely counter to my reading of the New Testament and my understanding of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Read the excerpt provided above. Mr. Graham is talking about folks who've never even heard of the Bible, much less Jesus Christ. Are you saying they're going to hell? Is that up to you to decide?

I can find no way to fit into this Gospel the ability to be saved without knowing it. Questionable (IMHO) interpretations of single-line verses that suggest loopholes in the above-defined gospel can not be made equivalent to that Gospel.

Well, I for one am not willing to state that Abraham wasn't saved because he didn't know Christ, and I'm likewise unwilling to consign to hell those alive today who've never heard His name. That's not my job, nor is it yours.

The Gospel that I understand is about willfully accepting Jesus Christ as your saviour, acknowledging His death, burial, and resurrection, confessing one's sins, repenting of one's evil ways, and being baptized for the remission of one's sins.

I agree with you. We have heard His name, and have made our choice to follow Him. I'm perfectly happy to help others do the same. But I'm not willing to guess the fate of good people who have not heard His name.

289 posted on 07/01/2005 1:44:10 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: hosepipe

We don't need that kind of stuff. Abuse hit.


290 posted on 07/01/2005 1:45:44 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Mulch

I'm sorry, but you missed my point, entirely.

"Earned" is your term, not theirs and they would disagree that they can "earn" "salvation". They can seek God, honestly and fully and the rest is up to God, not how much or how well they "perform" something.

Their statements of faith are not a "if you do it my way you are saved and if not you are damned". They are statments of a simple faith that you must have if you are truly seeking God, and if that faith and that seeking is true that your life is and will reflect that - period. "Your life will reflect that" period, end of statement. "Salvation" is by God's determination, not theirs (no matter "how good" they are) and not YOURS; is what they would tell you.

Now you of course would say they are missing the "acceptance of Jesus" part and no matter how true and strong is their faith in God, they are missing what salvation requires. They do not argue that their "works" "earn" them salvation; they leave that to God.

If you carefully read what Paul said to the devout Jews that felt compelled to remain devout Jews, they are doing, living, as Paul said they should. They keep to the law and the traditions and faith founded on the law, and in doing so they live according to the spirit of the law, which is the word, which is the Son from the beginning. The rest is in God's grace.


291 posted on 07/01/2005 1:54:18 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli
Thanks for the clarification. But I would say that it highlights my point further regarding Christianity’s uniqueness among the great world religions. Christians understand that they can rest assured in the salvation they have in Christ. In other faiths, there are no such assurances.
292 posted on 07/01/2005 2:03:09 PM PDT by Mulch (tm)
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To: r9etb
[ We don't need that kind of stuff. Abuse hit. ]

The truth is not abuse.. or should not be..

293 posted on 07/01/2005 2:03:43 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Modernman
So you are actually saying *with certainty* that people who died without ever hearing the gospel message are in hell? Yes I am. Its on Christ's authority that I base it upon.....NO WAY!

Following your logic, the 40 million or so aborted babies in this country over the last few decades are all in hell.

....there is NO WAY that our loving GOD would have this happen!....NO WAY!

294 posted on 07/01/2005 2:13:55 PM PDT by SweetCaroline (Thank You GOD for watching over me.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I do not think that is what he said, if you read all, ALL the statements together and in context with each other.


295 posted on 07/01/2005 2:17:10 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: sr4402

Come to think of it, isn't that what happened to Paul?


296 posted on 07/01/2005 2:22:53 PM PDT by Jaded (Hell sometimes has fluorescent lighting and a trumpet.)
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To: BonnieJ
We've seen this quite a bit lately with elderly public figures, suddenly saying things that are quite radical and ridiculous too. Mandela, Cronkite, Carter, now Rev. Graham. They should retire and not be allowed to speak, let their ealier lives be their legacy. We hear nothing from the great Charlton Heston, his family has kept him in seclusion. I do believe the ones I mentioned have some sort of dementia

Actually, it's all been organized for years via National Council of Churches.

Hillary Clinton in Evangelical Outreach Check out the data in the thread.

297 posted on 07/01/2005 2:52:10 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Rhadaghast
Let me then to welcome you Rhadaghast! :)

"bookmark". I use it as a self-ping: A thread I wish to study.

298 posted on 07/01/2005 2:54:20 PM PDT by Alia
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To: My2Cents
Frankly, I'm willing to give him a pass here.

You're in good company! Billy is giving a "pass" to everyone who wants to find their own way.
299 posted on 07/01/2005 2:56:36 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: safisoft

People have been biting at Graham for decades. "Too ecumenical...Too inclusionary...Too this...Too that." Frankly, Billy Graham towers over everyone else in the past half century of Christian history. Both you and I both will never measure up to his contributions to the Kingdom of God.


300 posted on 07/01/2005 3:02:09 PM PDT by My2Cents ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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