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To: dubyaismypresident

There is a difference between social conservatives and conservatives that are both social and fiscal. Social conservatives I have met are unbending under any circumstance and if they don't get their way, they will pick up and go home and let a liberal win. I consider them the "my way" or "no way" crowd. Look at what just happened in recent months, court rulings go against what they want and they want judges impeached and an activist court.

A conservative wants a strict constructionist on the Court to rule not make up things to suit their ideology. A Conservative is the broken glass Republican who will always vote. We have to beg the social conservatives to get on board so often because some candidate is not 100% of what they want -- remember the "purist" or "true" conservative that gets tossed around -- that is from the social conservatives IMHO. That's my interpretation of the difference between a conservative and a social conservative.

BTW, if you haven't guessed, I fall the in the Conservative Republican mold that understands you don't always get everything you want but you keep on trying and never fold up your tent and go home. If I was the type to fold a tent, I would have left this site in recent months but I have chosen to stay and fight the naysayers and doom and gloomers that are now populating this site. They have risen from the ashes of 2000 to be joined by newbies or at least new screen names from 2004.


543 posted on 07/01/2005 8:20:17 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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To: PhiKapMom

I'm an across the board conservative, fiscal and social. This is the big fight. Nothing matters if our all legislation and our constitutional rights are shredded by a "moderate" Court


560 posted on 07/01/2005 8:23:42 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (we should not hesitate to resolve the tension in favor of the Constitution's original meaning-Thomas)
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To: PhiKapMom
BTW, if you haven't guessed, I fall the in the Conservative Republican mold that understands you don't always get everything you want but you keep on trying and never fold up your tent and go home.

Amen!

And some fall into the "As for everything and end up with nothing (except, of course, an issue!).

571 posted on 07/01/2005 8:25:12 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: PhiKapMom
A conservative wants a strict constructionist on the Court to rule not make up things to suit their ideology. A Conservative is the broken glass Republican who will always vote. We have to beg the social conservatives to get on board so often because some candidate is not 100% of what they want -- remember the "purist" or "true" conservative that gets tossed around -- that is from the social conservatives IMHO. That's my interpretation of the difference between a conservative and a social conservative. I'm not a social conservative, I'm a diehard conservative. I want a true originalist on the bench. Thankfully I think, is the fact that someone who IS a true originalist will also have the same positions as the ONE thing social conservatives want (overturning RvW). No where in the Constitution is abortion a right. If the libs want abortion, they need to get a law passed through Congress. Then the SC can uphold it ;) But I will NOT go for someone who is a moderate. I will leave the party for that!
575 posted on 07/01/2005 8:26:28 AM PDT by mosquitobite
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To: PhiKapMom

Excellent post. The group who would rather have a civil war than use the political process.


596 posted on 07/01/2005 8:31:02 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: PhiKapMom

"I fall the in the Conservative Republican mold that understands you don't always get everything you want but you keep on trying and never fold up your tent and go home."

I agree, well said. Perfection would be nice, but realism tends to intrude.


602 posted on 07/01/2005 8:32:24 AM PDT by Amore (First, let's kill all the lawyers!)
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To: PhiKapMom

Great post. Yah, the "my way or no way" crowd does get tiresome. Throwing a tantrum and giving up never works.


657 posted on 07/01/2005 8:47:19 AM PDT by Sea2ShiningSea
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To: PhiKapMom
So, where does that leave me? Social Conservative or "broken glass" conservative. Maybe I'm just an almost bled-out almost apathetic conservative who needs just one more tiny paper cut much less a heart scooping sacrifice on the Aztec ziggurat of tolerance and moderation.
675 posted on 07/01/2005 8:50:56 AM PDT by Theophilus (Save Little Democrats, Stop Abortion)
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To: PhiKapMom

"There is a difference between social conservatives and conservatives that are both social and fiscal. Social conservatives I have met are unbending under any circumstance and if they don't get their way, they will pick up and go home and let a liberal win. I consider them the "my way" or "no way" crowd. Look at what just happened in recent months, court rulings go against what they want and they want judges impeached and an activist court."

Hear, hear


691 posted on 07/01/2005 8:55:21 AM PDT by republicofdavis
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To: PhiKapMom
Look at what just happened in recent months, court rulings go against what they want and they want judges impeached and an activist court.

I'd love to impeach Anothony Kennedy and David Souter but sadly we don't have the votes.

694 posted on 07/01/2005 8:56:44 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (we should not hesitate to resolve the tension in favor of the Constitution's original meaning-Thomas)
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To: PhiKapMom
if they don't get their way, they will pick up and go home and let a liberal win

Bump. A very destructive tendency. Such people can't be counted on for much.

716 posted on 07/01/2005 9:04:42 AM PDT by GVnana
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To: PhiKapMom
Thanks for the analysis.

It is probably true that social conservatives are sometimes too purist for their own good.

The fact that their participation in politics is largely driven by issues relating to the moral foundation of our nation naturally makes social conservatives less able to compromise than those who are primarily concerned about, for instance, tax policy.

But if it were true that everything had to be 100% "our way," very few of us would still be Republicans.

821 posted on 07/01/2005 9:35:38 AM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: PhiKapMom
BTW, if you haven't guessed, I fall the in the Conservative Republican mold that understands you don't always get everything you want but you keep on trying and never fold up your tent and go home. If I was the type to fold a tent, I would have left this site in recent months but I have chosen to stay and fight the naysayers and doom and gloomers that are now populating this site. They have risen from the ashes of 2000 to be joined by newbies or at least new screen names from 2004.

Well said, PhiKapMom. I fall in your camp as well. We get angry and disappointed, but we never give up.

854 posted on 07/01/2005 9:46:37 AM PDT by Peach
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