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It just never ends.
1 posted on 06/30/2005 12:54:18 PM PDT by satchmodog9
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2 posted on 06/30/2005 12:55:29 PM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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"Most people have heard of climate change and how rising air temperatures are melting glaciers and sea ice in the Arctic," said Dylan Powell of the University of Maryland Baltimore County. "However, findings from our simulations suggest a counterintuitive phenomenon. Some of the melt in the Arctic may be balanced by increases in sea ice volume in the Antarctic."

and this is bad...why?

3 posted on 06/30/2005 12:55:51 PM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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Now the sea ice is going to increase on the South Pole. Last week it was all going to melt off.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry anymore.

4 posted on 06/30/2005 12:55:57 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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Or "might" not...

ZZZZZzzzz.....


5 posted on 06/30/2005 12:56:27 PM PDT by pfony1
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Global Warming Theories Create Lopsided Thinking
6 posted on 06/30/2005 12:58:19 PM PDT by LRS
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print space is being given to this dingaling student who doesn't even have his degree yet?


7 posted on 06/30/2005 12:58:27 PM PDT by NoClones
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If you want to prove to a liberal that melting ice will not raise sea level. Put a cube of ice in a glass and then fill the glass with water to the rim. Come back in an hour, the ice will be melted, but the level in the glass will not have risen, in fact it will be slightly lower.

Now, if ice covering land melts and runs into the ocean it could cause levels to rise, but the ice on antartica just keeps getting thicker.


9 posted on 06/30/2005 1:02:00 PM PDT by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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pigs may fly....


11 posted on 06/30/2005 1:03:20 PM PDT by Brilliant
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"Most people have heard of climate change and how rising air temperatures are melting glaciers and sea ice in the Arctic," said Dylan Powell of the University of Maryland Baltimore County.

Is that even established scientific fact?

13 posted on 06/30/2005 1:04:00 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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Global warming might create:
Wetter Summers,
Dryer Summers,
Hotter Summers,
Colder Summers,
Milder Winters,
Colder Winters,
Snowier Winters,
Longer Winters,
Shorter Winters,
Earthquakes,
Volcanos,
Locusts,
Global Cooling,
Gay Marriage,
Child Abuse,
Democrats,
Republicans,
Mad Cow Disease,
Reality TV,
Etc...etc...etc
17 posted on 06/30/2005 1:07:21 PM PDT by HEY4QDEMS
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Hey, you mean you don't believe everything a grad student out of the U of Maryland Baltimore County has to say?


18 posted on 06/30/2005 1:07:47 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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Ignorance gone to seed!!!


19 posted on 06/30/2005 1:08:43 PM PDT by c-b 1
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My computer models suggest global warming will cause the earth to look like Mr. Potato Head:


21 posted on 06/30/2005 1:09:28 PM PDT by Always Right
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Note to self: Please call chicken little and tell him to find some pillars to prop up the sky.


22 posted on 06/30/2005 1:10:04 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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El Rushbo was talking about this on his show today. He couldn't keep a straight face while reading the news article.

The envirowackos have drank the kool-aid gone straight off the deep end.
23 posted on 06/30/2005 1:10:35 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (The theory of evolution is the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century - Michael Denton)
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"We used computer-generated simulations to get this research result," Powell cautioned. "I hope that in the future we'll be able to verify this result with real data through a long-term ice thickness measurement campaign."

They are teaching this grad student how to get a grant. Its a mandatory course for all PhD candidates. Securing Funding 501.
25 posted on 06/30/2005 1:11:47 PM PDT by microgood
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Here's some global warming scepticism:

Global Warming: That Pesky Data
Posted by Steve Verdon at 14:31
Looks like Mann et. al. [1998] could be getting some major attention before too long. Apparently the Committee on Energy and Commerce is interested in the Hockey stick.

Letter to Dr. Mann, Dr. Hughes, Dr. Bradley, as well as letters to the National Science Foundation, and the IPCC. What are they asking for?

Your curriculum vitae, including, but not limited to, a list of all studies relating to climate change research for which you were an author or co-author and the source of funding for those studies.
List all financial support you have received related to your research, including, but not limited to, all private, state, and federal assistance, grants, contracts (including subgrantsor subcontracts), or other financial awards or honoraria.
Regarding all such work involving federal grants or funding support under which you were a recipient of funding or principal investigator, provide all agreements relating to those underlying grants or funding, including, but not limited to, any provisions, adjustments, or exceptions made in the agreements relating to the dissemination and sharing of research results.
Provide the location of all data archives relating to each published study for which you were an author or co-author and indicate: (a) whether this information contains all the specific data you used and calculations your performed, including such supporting documentation as computer source code, validation information, and other ancillary information, necessary for full evaluation and application of the data, particularly for another party to replicate your research results; (b) when this information was available to researchers; (c) where and when you first identified the location of this information; (d) what modifications, if any, you have made to this information since publication of the respective study; and (e) if necessary information is not fully available, provide a detailed narrative description of the steps somebody must take to acquire the necessary information to replicate your study results or assess the quality of the proxy data you used.
According to The Wall Street Journal, you have declined to release the exact computer code you used to generate your results. (a) Is this correct? (b) What policy on sharing research and methods do you follow? (c) What is the source of that policy? (d) Provide this exact computer code used to generate your results.
Regarding study data and related information that is not publicly archived, what requests have you or your co-authors received for data relating to the climate change studies, what was your response, and why?
One of the long running problems with looking into the Hockey Stick has been getting data and code out of the authors (Mann, Bradley and Huges). As I have noted previously there seems to be a pattern with regards to climate scientists and their willingness to share data (and contrary to claims in the comments to that post, not all the data and source code has been shared).

The issue here isn't so much whether there is anthropogenic warming (there probably is some, how much I think is still somewhat of an open question, and the effectivness of various policies even more open), but the integrity and accuracy of the research that supports the climate change hypothesis. If the data are not avialable, if the original source code is lost, and/or the authors are unwilling to share (note: that in a Wall Street Journal article [Feb. 14, 2005] Mann has said he wont be intimidated into releasing his algorithm) this is a problem.


26 posted on 06/30/2005 1:12:04 PM PDT by jsh3180
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28 posted on 06/30/2005 1:12:05 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (www.lp.org)
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Global warming is causing a nasty itch on my left ankle. It's driving me crazy.


29 posted on 06/30/2005 1:12:18 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sicked and tired!)
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The study may or may not be accurate regarding the shrinkage or growth of polar ice, although I tend to discount any study that refuses to take geological history into account. What I take issue with is the incredibly biased and overly hyping headline. It makes it sound like global warming is going to cause the planet to 'fall over' or something.

I'd like to see someone suggest with a straight face that enough ice will build up on one pole to even be measurable in terms of the overall mass of the planet, let alone affect its orbital 'balance', as the word lopsided suggests.

30 posted on 06/30/2005 1:12:26 PM PDT by Antonello
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