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To: Ancesthntr; Wolfie; Little Ray; Travis McGee
[Little Ray] Rather than defining and limiting the powers of the State, [a Constitutional convention] would try to assign rights to people (by various grievance groups, of course) and end up leaving us with no rights at all.

[Ancesthntr] Let's just hope that the next folks that do so, decide that it isn't the wisest idea to have a "discussion" with the paid servants of the "masters," but instead decide to talk things over with the "masters"

A Constitutional convention to originate amendments is exactly how you hold such a "discussion".

The Old Money, the real powers-that-be, people you've never heard of, will try to send their mouthpieces: brilliant, domineering attorneys, famous senators, eminent statesmen and "Wise Men" frauds, like the frauds that David Halberstam wrote about in The Best and the Brightest, who, when the chips were down and things got ugly during Tet in 1968, simply swallowed their advice and encouragement of six weeks earlier that they had given LBJ face-to-face to "stay the course," and instead advised the President to cut his losses and end the Vietnamese War on the best terms he could get. Johnson was stunned, and after the "Wise Men" (Averell Harriman, George Kennan, Robert Lovatt, and the rest of the roll call) had left the conference room, leaving LBJ and a few of his aides to confer, LBJ said nothing for a while, and then murmured, "Somebody poisoned the well."

Identifying and neutralizing the mouthpieces in convention will do one thing: it will finally strip the Old Money of control of the national agenda and return it to the People. The key is to ensure that all the convention delegates are local people, independent people without ties to regional banking or law firms that in turn have important business connections back East: that, after all, was how Theodore White, in his Making of the President series, explains that Old Money controlled the GOP in the 1940's and 1950's -- through the New York law firms and their regional "farmout" connections.

A convention, therefore, wouldn't be a walkover for Big Money and the Establishment, if the People control the selection of delegates -- and carefully exclude known "players" and mouthpieces of whatever local Regency has been arrogating the right to sit on the People's faces, like the Texas Big Rich who buy and sell governors and senators and walk around the floor of the Texas Legislature handing out envelopes with checks for $10,000 in them as "thank-you's" for passing helpful legislation, like Bo Pilgrim, the chicken magnate, once got caught doing by a TV camera in the gallery. (The state senators had to give the checks back, when the media showed up in their offices asking about them.)

72 posted on 06/30/2005 3:28:20 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
if the People control the selection of delegates

That's the rub. Too many people have too much vested interest in screwing up the Constitution in one way or the other. The sad fact is I don't trust anyone living today to mess with the Constitution. I fear that we as a Republic are going down a one way road - and there's no turning back - without major unpleasantness.

75 posted on 06/30/2005 4:13:15 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
A Constitutional convention to originate amendments is exactly how you hold such a "discussion".

If the tyrants don't abide by the existing Constitution, what makes you think they will abide by a new one?

Make no mistake, a new one will be an abomination and will lack any meaningful Bill of Rights.

89 posted on 06/30/2005 11:38:49 PM PDT by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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