Guest worker proposal raises thorny questions

Arizona Daily Star ^ | 30 June 2005 | U.S. Rep. Lamar Smith

[HiJinx]

And the illegals themselves help to make the lives of American citizens that much richer.

With a nine billion dollar net drain on social services in the state of California, alone? That makes Californians richer? What economic model do you support?

[HiJinx]

More pro-cheap-labor horse puckey for comsumption by the ignorant...

[MoJo2001]

ROTFLMBO!! YOU GO JINXIE!! I'm rolling over here. AMEN!!

[Happy2BMe]

Myths and lies of illegal immigration

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[dennisw]

Good list there!!!

[MoJo2001]

Excellent graphic!!!!

[Mamzelle]

re5) That the employer may be sued by those applicants that were rejected.)))

I happen to believe that this could happen right now, and is one of the few avenues available to private citizens with government abrogates their duty to protect our borders.

Employers break the law because it's useful for them. It's like the bank robber--he robs the bank because that's where the money is.

The illegal employee, if the employer fears no enforcement of the law, is much more desirable than a lawful alien or a citizen. He has every motive to discriminate against lawful aliens and citizens....why isn't this a civil rights issue and a working theory to sue employers for hiring illegals over lawful employees?

[Happy2BMe]

Jobs Americans Won't Do: Voodoo Economics from the White House.

Jobs Americans Won't Do: Voodoo Economics from the White House.

[blackie]

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!

[Mamzelle]

re: The fact that they were welcome by the legal system is touching)))

Well, aren't you just the big-hearted Great White Father! I'm so moved that you are touched....!!

I know a bunch of Great White Fathers and Mothers--they've bought up local resort property. They buy mansions too huge to manage, then get their slaves from the local Jefe Don Godfather to do their work for paltry wages. When Maria sprains her ankle, Great White Mother drives her to the ER and dumps her there. I get to pay her bill in higher insurance and taxes. Julio drives to pick up fertilizer at Lowes... Julio runs into my car, I get to pay the bill because he has neither license or insurance.

What a big warm heart you've got there, Father America.

I'd just love to give you a medal.

[monkeywrench]

Nobody picked anyones pockets on behalf of immigrants before, legal or otherwise. People coming here had to stand on their own two feet!

Support your own employees. Don't expect taxpayers to subsidze this invasion much longer.

[Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit]

Do you ever eat grapes? How about cherries? No fruit then, none at all. No pork either? Really? Never in a hotel? never in a restaurant? Your life must be hard. You might want to consider a move to Europe.

Or perhaps you just think because you use their labor somewhat less directly you are not guilty all the same.

That is incredible ignorance, arrogance, selfishness and naivete.

[Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit]

Sounds like fuzzy math from the anti-immigration lobby. Show me that stats and I'll show others that contradict them.

[Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit]

I am with you on all but 6. They need to be actively engaged in learning the language, but if you have never done it, learning a foreign langauge is very difficult. It is almost impossible outside of the nation where you are learning it. I know this from experience.

Thus, make sure they have access to classes. This would be a hurdle too high to climb. Besides, what would be the criteria for the test - TOEFL? If so, there are probably 50 million or more Americans who wouldn not come close to passing it.

[hershey]

I bet the number of illegals already here is closer to twenty million. Ooops. I meant to say, 'trusted travelers'.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Re: "There are a great deal of socialists in conservative clothing at FR who need pointing."

Please point to how wanting laws enforced is "socialist." TIA.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

You asked another Freeper to "Show me that stats and I'll show others that contradict them."

Over and over we are asked to prove that migrants (by far the most numerous are Mexican citizens) living here who IMO have no intention of ever becoming U.S. citizens (a.k.a., "cheap labor") cost U.S. taxpayers money, lots of money.

"The High Cost of Cheap Labor, Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget" is just one of many studies we cite. To what avail?

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.pdf (Note that this is a PDF file)

Center for Immigration Studies

Even the MSM, for example the Washington Post, accept CIS as a legitimate organization and publish reports about CIS studies. If you do not accept CIS please give some reasons why.

Now, who is the socialist? The business owner dependent upon the government to support his "cheap labor" workers or the taxpayers demanding that we enforce our immigration laws?

[A.B.Normal]

There is a thread wherein it is said BUSH is part of the problem and has been covering up. Amnesty, AKA Guest Workers only encourages more illegals.

Bush opened his mouth about the insensitive stamps so he knows what is going on in Mexico. Yet he says nothing about the illegals.

One poster said he is loosing the faithful - I think he has lost a lot of people for the 06 elections. He can turn me around by doing something positive Try anti abortion stance, appoint conservative judges, close the border - the rest of the political stuff is just crap to me..

[WilliamofCarmichael]

The ILLEGAL immigration, ignore-the-law advocates in both Parties cannot handle the truth it seems to me. They mostly rely instead on stupid liberal tricks such as name calling and how they feeeeeeeeel about it.

Who did the work before there were millions and millions of ILLEGAL aliens here and millions more on the way? It's an artificial labor glut created by NOT ENFORCING OUR REPUBLIC'S IMMIGRATION LAWS! (Yes, I know about the 5.2 official unemployment rate, but what percentage of working age folks are not working or are underemployed compared to years ago?)

A Northeastern University study reports that recent immigrants are getting many of the jobs while citizens and established immigrants remain unemployed or underemployed.

How many ILLEGAL immigrants are employed in agriculture? Three percent of them.

Supporting the Northeastern study is this recent posting on FR,

"Only 3 percent of the undocumented immigrants work in agriculture. The greatest numbers, 33 percent, work in the service industry.

"The rest work in construction, production, installation and repair, sales and administration, transportation and material moving, and management and business." [End quote]

It's from a Pew Hispanic Center report.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1423667/posts

The Northeastern report can be had at

http://www.nupr.neu.edu/7-04/immigration_july04.shtml

The 2004 midyear report suggested that

"Given the controversial but policy relevant findings on the immigrant role in U.S. labor markets over the past four years and its adverse consequences for younger and less skilled workers, the study calls for a sustained and high level national policy debate over the future role of immigration in U.S. labor markets. This topic should also be a key issue in the Presidential debates this fall."

Except for one question in one presidential debate ILLEGAL immigration was of course not an issue much less a key issue. That question BTW was asked only because the network received tons of emails demanding it be asked. It can no longer be ignored.

[Ace Backwords]

Senator McCanal offered to debate Dan Stein of FAIR about his guest worker/amnesty-for-20-million-illegals bill, but he looks like he came to his senses and chickened out. Its been 11 days, 9 hours, 42 minutes, and 56 seconds (and counting) since McCanal offered to debate, and yet still no word from the Senator about setting it up. http://www.steinreport.com