Posted on 06/29/2005 10:46:38 AM PDT by smoothsailing
Iraq is all about 911? Right! What happened to killing bin Laden? The CIA chief said he has an idea where he is but can't go aggressively after him but can't because of diplomatic issues. Are you saying if we were not killing terrorists in Iraq, they would all be flying to Mexico, crossing the border and then start exploding IEDs on our main streets? It hurts to think that if we enforced our Immigration Laws, 911 may not have happened. It hurts to think that if we did not allow student visas from Muslim countries, 911 would not have happened. The reason for Iraq has gone from eliminating WMDs, to removing Saddam, to bringing democracy to the freedom loving people of Iraq, to we are killing terrorists. I agreed with eliminating WMDs and Saddam, but we have been spinning our wheels for a year or more now, building schools, hospitals and sewers and they don't like us anymore than a year ago. We are still being killed at the same rate as a year ago. In a year, we are down 1,000 lives and $100 billion dollars. Multiple this out by 12 years and it totals 12,000 dead and $1.2 trillion poured down a sand hole. Matadah el Sadar still has his old job of preaching hate of the invading infidels, and Fallugah still exists. We are bringing out the terrorists by playing clay pigeons? What kind of war are we fighting? It's time for President Bush to stop blowing smoke up my ass, bring our troops home and enforce our borders and immigration laws. Also, I don't see the wisdom of training Iraqis so they are as capable as our troops. Iran use to be our friend. Much of their military capability came from us.
Have you been paying attention ?
Would you rather continue drawing them (the terrorists) into Iraq and killing them, or do you prefer those battles to be fought in the streets of America and other parts of the free world?
{Sigh...} Surely you have been here long enough to have seen the research...
Less than two months before 9/11/01, the state-controlled Iraqi newspaper “Al-Nasiriya” carried a column headlined, “American, an Obsession called Osama Bin Ladin.” (July 21, 2001)
In the piece, Baath Party writer Naeem Abd Muhalhal predicted that bin Laden would attack the US “with the seriousness of the Bedouin of the desert about the way he will try to bomb the Pentagon after he destroys the White House.”
The same state-approved column also insisted that bin Laden “will strike America on the arm that is already hurting,” and that the US “will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra every time he hears his songs” – an apparent reference to the Sinatra classic, “New York, New York”. (Link below)
List of newspaper article in the 90's which mention the world's concern regarding the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam:
Son of Saddam coordinates OBL activities:
The AQ connection (excellent):
Western Nightmare:
Saddam's link to OBL:
NYT: Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate:
Document linking them:
Iraq and terrorism - no doubt about it:
A federal judge rules there are links:
Wall Street Journal on Iraq and AQ:
Iraq and Iran contact OBL:
More evidence:
Saddam's AQ connection:
Further connections:
What a court of law said about the connections:
Some miscellaneous stuff on connections:
Saddam's Ambassador to Al Qaeda: (February 2004, Weekly Standard)
Yes - it's NewsMax but loaded with interesting bullet points.
Saddam's Fingerprints on NY Bombing (Wall Street Journal, June 1993)
Colin Powell: Iraq and AQ Partners for Years (CNN, February 2003)
The Iraq-Al Qaeda Connections (September 2003, Richard Miniter)
Oil for Food Scandal Ties Iraq and Al Qaeda (June 2003)
Saddam and OBL Make a Pact (The New Yorker, February 2003):
Al Qaeda's Poison Gas (Wall Street Journal, April 2004):
Wolfowitz Says Saddam behind 9/11 Attacks:
Saddam behind first WTC attack - PBS, Laurie Mylroie:
Growing Evidence of Saddam and Al Qaeda Link, The Weekly Standard, July 2003:
Qusay Hussein Coordinated Iraq special operations with Bin Laden Terrorist Activities, Yossef Bodansky, National Press Club
The Western Nightmare: Saddam and Bin Laden vs. the Rest of the World, The Guardian Unlimited:
Saddam Link to Bin Laden, Julian Borger, The Guardian, February 1999
The Al Qaeda Connection, The Weekly Standard, July 2003
Cheney lectures Russert on Iraq/911 Link, September 2003:
No Question About It, National Review, September 2003
Iraq: A Federal Judges Point of View
Mohammed's Account links Iraq to 9/11 and OKC:
Free Republic Thread that mentions some books Freepers might be interested in on this topic:
The Proof that Saddam Worked with AQ, The Telegraph, April 2003:
Saddam's AQ Connection, The Weekly Standard, September 2003
September 11 Victims Sue Iraq:
Osama's Best Friend: The Further Connections Between Al Qaeda and Saddam, The Weekly Standard, November 2003
Terrorist Behind 9/11 Attacks Trained by Saddam, The Telegraph, December 2003
James Woolsey Links Iraq and AQ, CNN Interview, March 2004, Also see Posts #34 and #35
A Geocities Interesting Web Site with maps and connections:
Bin Laden indicted in federal court, read down to find information that Bin Laden agreed to not attack Iraq and to work cooperatively with Iraq:
Case Closed, The Weekly Standard, November 03
CBS - Lawsuit: Iraq involved in 9/11:
Exploring Iraq's Involvement in pre-9/11 Acts, The Indianapolis Star:
The Iraq/AQ Connection: Richard Minister again
Militia Defector says Baghdad trained Al Qaeda fighters in chemical weapons, July 2002
The Clinton View of Iraq/AQ Ties, The Weekly Standard, December 2003
Saddam Controlled the Camps (Iraq/AQ Ties): The London Observer, November 01
Saddam's Terror Ties that Critics Ignore, National Review, October 2003:
Tape Shows General Wesley Clark linking Iraq and AQ:
Credit to Peach for the above info.
Credit to joesbucks for the following links:
Dozens of links here:
Just a few of those links include:
The Clinton Justice Department's indictment against OBL in federal court which mentions the terrorist's connections to Iraq. November 4, 1998. The federal indictment:
Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate. The federal indictment against OBL working in concert with Iraq and Iran is mentioned. November 1998. The New York Times
Saddam reaching out to OBL January 1, 1999. Newsweek
Click here ABC news reports on the Osama/Saddam connections January 14, 1999. ABC News
Western Nightmare: Saddam and OBL versus the World. Iraq recruited OBL. February 6, 1999. The Guardian
Saddam's Link to OBL February 6, 1999. The Guardian
Saddam offered asylum to bin Laden February 13, 1999. AP
And kabar submitted these two little gems showing Bin Laden supported Iraq and its struggle against the US and the West.
1996 Fatwa: "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."
Nice diatribe - do you give any credence to the saying; "All it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing.", or would you be at the head of the "do nothing" line? It seems that, like the MSM and average Dim, you are confused about the reality and are balming the wrong folks for all the smoke in your digestive tract.
I'm sending this to my dad and his wife, who believe President Bush is "a monster", and that "he thinks we are stupid because he wants us to believe that we're fighting for humanitarian purposes". And that the only thing we want to do is "steal those people's oil."
And of course they're both Seasoned citizens and Democrats, which only proves the theory most of the 50+ crowd is very ill-informed on matters pertaining to terrorism and are only interested in getting free medication from the government. As much as I love my pops, he needs to be told the truth here.
You don't know what you're talking about. Sad.
Thank you! You are using those links for a good cause.
So what would you suggest we do...cut and run?
Moderator,this is a dupe.Sorry
They are the same murderers indicted for bombing American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, and responsible for bombing the USS Cole.
Al Qaeda is to terror what the Mafia is to crime. But its goal is not making money; its gaol is remaking the world-and imposing its radical beliefs on people everywhere.
President George W. Bush, Address to a joint session of Congress, September 20,2001
Excerpt with emphasis added.
"September 11, 2001.
That is why we are in Iraq."
Um, we were there before. Since about 1991, IIRC. Later enforcing a division of the country by protecting the Kurdish independent zones (and peeving other neighbors fearing Kurdish independence), enforcing no-fly zones and UN sanctions, bombing, passing the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998, etc. etc.
Another sleeper troll..
I wonder why Bush preaches the "Spread of Freedom and Democracy"...when he and the "Republican" congress do little to ensure that it's preserved here at home.
The silence is deafening when it comes to an aggressive action/condemnation of the most disgusting and dangerous socialist supreme court decision in our history (eminent domain).
I'm sick of these fake conservatives, sick of helping local, state and national campaigns only to get f*cked over in the end.
Vote for Repubs: a small, yet insignificant "brake" on socialism
Vote for Dems: pushing the fast forward button to socialism
We need real leaders in the vein of our founding fathers. George Allen in 08 might be a move in the right direction for once.....
Bin Laden's state sponsors, the Taliban and Saddam Hussein, were targets that needed to be destroyed. Thankfully, we've got a President who has the sense to understand that.
Good.
Well,Gee Whiz and Golly.
Thanks for the post and all its info. I have to give you loads of credit and my compliments for your linking ability...for trying to do what you did (you make it look so easy!) would have drove me "raving and nuts"!
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