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The Finance Committee approved the agreement by a voice vote
1 posted on 06/29/2005 9:44:31 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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Nobody wanted that to show up on record.


2 posted on 06/29/2005 9:45:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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One more, just out on the wires.


5 posted on 06/29/2005 9:52:58 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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US President George W. Bush(C) delivers a brief statement at the White House with Presidents Abel Pacheco of Costa Rica (2nd-L), Leonel Fernandez of the Dominican Republic(R), Elias Antonio Saca of El Salvador(L), Oscar Berger of Guatemala(2nd-R), Ricardo Maduro of Honduras(3rd-R), and Enrique Bolanos (3rd-L) of Nicaragua 12 May 2005 after concluding discussions on the Central American and Dominican Republic Free Trade Agreement(CAFTA-DR)(AFP/File)
6 posted on 06/29/2005 9:56:24 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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Senior members of former Democrat and Republican government administrations, including former trade representative Carla Hills (R) and former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger (2nd R) look on as U.S. President George W. Bush (not pictured) speaks about the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA) in the Old Executive Building in Washington June 23, 2005. (Jason Reed/Reuters)

Uber-globalist Henry Kissenger must be pleased today.
7 posted on 06/29/2005 9:57:43 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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I find it amazing that so much of our trade policy seems to be centered on the idea of protecting domestic sugar producers from competition. What a bunch of wusses!
8 posted on 06/29/2005 9:57:52 AM PDT by Moral Hazard (...but when push comes to shove, you've got to do what you love, even if it's not a good idea.)
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BOHICA!


12 posted on 06/29/2005 10:01:29 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (The pursuit if life, liberty, and higher tax revenue (amended by the supreme 5).)
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Well, you can see it developing now. Open borders right down to Panama.


13 posted on 06/29/2005 10:02:23 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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The administration also told him it will spend $30 million over five years to help subsistence farmers in three Central American countries who might be displaced by an increase in U.S. agriculture imports.
U.S. Trade Representative Rob Portman (news, bio, voting record) and Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns are constantly on Capitol Hill, talking to undecided lawmakers.

Yeah, displaced Central American farmers will be offered relocation assistance to the United States, with a complete package of nanny-state welfare benefits.

Johanns and Derbez Sign Partnership to Promote USDA Rural Development Programs

14 posted on 06/29/2005 10:08:55 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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Voice vote in a committee surely means passage on the Senate floor. I am not sure if conservatives in the House can block Hastert from pushing this through.


15 posted on 06/29/2005 10:13:09 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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good news. I don't quite understand those who wish to expand government to protect their jobs. If you need government to protect your job you don't deserve it and you're not much different than the union thugs.


25 posted on 06/29/2005 10:56:34 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/scotuspropertythieving.htm)
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CAFTA ping


27 posted on 06/29/2005 11:01:05 AM PDT by madfly
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From Ron Paul's weekly column, Texas Straight Talk
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2005/tst060605.htm

CAFTA: More Bureaucracy, Less Free Trade

June 6,  2005 


The Central America Free Trade Agreement, known as CAFTA, will be the source of intense political debate in Washington this summer.  The House of Representatives will vote on CAFTA ratification in June, while the Senate likely will vote in July. 

I oppose CAFTA for a very simple reason: it is unconstitutional.  The Constitution clearly grants Congress alone the authority to regulate international trade.  The plain text of Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 is incontrovertible.  Neither Congress nor the President can give this authority away by treaty, any more than they can repeal the First Amendment by treaty.  This fundamental point, based on the plain meaning of the Constitution, cannot be overstated.  Every member of Congress who votes for CAFTA is voting to abdicate power to an international body in direct violation of the Constitution.

We don’t need government agreements to have free trade.  We merely need to lower or eliminate taxes on the American people, without regard to what other nations do.  Remember, tariffs are simply taxes on consumers.  Americans have always bought goods from abroad; the only question is how much our government taxes us for doing so.  As economist Henry Hazlitt explained, tariffs simply protect politically-favored special interests at the expense of consumers, while lowering wages across the economy as a whole.  Hazlitt, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, Murray Rothbard, and countless other economists have demolished every fallacy concerning tariffs, proving conclusively that unilateral elimination of tariffs benefits the American people.  We don’t need CAFTA or any other international agreement to reap the economic benefits promised by CAFTA supporters, we only need to change our own harmful economic and tax policies.  Let the rest of the world hurt their citizens with tariffs; if we simply reduce tariffs and taxes at home, we will attract capital and see our economy flourish.

It is absurd to believe that CAFTA and other trade agreements do not diminish American sovereignty.  When we grant quasi-governmental international bodies the power to make decisions about American trade rules, we lose sovereignty plain and simple.  I can assure you first hand that Congress has changed American tax laws for the sole reason that the World Trade Organization decided our rules unfairly impacted the European Union.  Hundreds of tax bills languish in the House Ways and Means committee, while the one bill drafted strictly to satisfy the WTO was brought to the floor and passed with great urgency last year.

The tax bill in question is just the tip of the iceberg.  The quasi-judicial regime created under CAFTA will have the same power to coerce our cowardly legislature into changing American laws in the future.  Labor and environmental rules are inherently associated with trade laws, and we can be sure that CAFTA will provide yet another avenue for globalists to impose the Kyoto Accord and similar agreements on the American people.  CAFTA also imposes the International Labor Organization’s manifesto, which could have been written by Karl Marx, on American business.  I encourage every conservative and libertarian who supports CAFTA to read the ILO declaration and consider whether they still believe the treaty will make America more free. 

CAFTA means more government!  Like the UN, NAFTA, and the WTO, it represents another stone in the foundation of a global government system.  Most Americans already understand they are governed by largely unaccountable forces in Washington, yet now they face having their domestic laws influenced by bureaucrats in Brussels, Zurich, or Mexico City.

CAFTA and other international trade agreements do not represent free trade.  Free trade occurs in the absence of government interference in the flow of goods, while CAFTA represents more government in the form of an international body.  It is incompatible with our Constitution and national sovereignty, and we don’t need it to benefit from international trade.

28 posted on 06/29/2005 11:03:50 AM PDT by madfly
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would end trade barriers now encountered by U.S. goods in Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua and the Dominican Republic

Pure propaganda. Who cares about trade barriers to U.S. goods in those countries? Their net market doesn't equal one U.S. city.

CAFTA isn't about increasing U.S. markets. It's about breaking down U.S. barriers to outsourced labor markets in those countries, and turning the U.S. into a peon labor market, as all of Latin America is.

The elitists in this country who view such societies approvingly are the ones behind CAFTA, and it has nothing to do with "expanding markets" for the U.S.

30 posted on 06/29/2005 11:06:35 AM PDT by Regulator
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Clause 2: He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;

All the Senate has to do to pass this by simple majority is to lie and call it a "trade agreement."

No problem.

32 posted on 06/29/2005 11:10:10 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=euLTJbMUKvH&b=312131&ct=1128455

VoiceOfSanDiego.org

CAFTA on the Ropes:
Agreement Must Protect People and the Environment

(SNIP)

Our experience in the San Diego/Tijuana cross-border region is a lesson for the future. Congress should reject any trade agreement that does not include the following fair trade principles:

Enforceable environmental protections. There must be provisions to prohibit countries from lowering environmental standards or failing to enforce environmental laws as a means of attracting foreign investment. Compliance with International Labor Organization health, safety and wage standards is imperative in order to reduce job flight and create a more equitable global economy.

Protection of human, labor and environmental rights over investor rights. NAFTA's disastrous Chapter 11 dispute settlement mechanism allows foreign corporations to sue governments for loss of potential profits due to enforcement of domestic law. In some countries, the mere threat of such costly lawsuits may halt the adoption of new environmental laws or implementation of existing laws. Foreign investors must be required to act in a socially responsible way.

Compliance with established democratic governance. Trade negotiation and administration must be transparent, accountable, participatory, equitable and follow the rule of law. Trade agreements should not set new standards outside domestic regulatory processes.

Transfer economic resources to reduce inequality between trading partners. Trade agreements between countries with wide gaps in development must include assistance for less-developed countries to promote social, regional and economic cohesion and build stable, sustainable economies.

Trade that creates poverty, pollution, instability and injustice is not "free." By defeating the Central American Free Trade Agreement, Congress will fulfill its obligation to defend basic economic and environmental rights and build prosperity and security.


41 posted on 06/29/2005 11:33:46 AM PDT by madfly
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We're screwed.

CFR.

LOST.

CAFTA.

Property rights.

Medicaid and medicare expansion.

"Reforming" the UN to make it more "effective" (aka powerful)

Open borders.

Foreign ownership of energy resources.

Judicial tyrrany.

Someone tell me how a dem would be worse again??? I'm starting to not see any difference between the two parties. Color me dissapointed.


42 posted on 06/29/2005 11:37:45 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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RINOs selling us out - People we have to stop voting for Republicans and start voting for principled conservatives. Bush and McCain are RINO elitists - they could care less about honest hard working Americans.


73 posted on 06/29/2005 12:41:33 PM PDT by sasafras (Enforce the border, take away all the benefits and penalize employers who hire illegals)
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ping


76 posted on 06/29/2005 1:56:56 PM PDT by madfly
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