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Shuttle components could be used in next generation of rockets
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | June 27, 2005 | Michael Cabbage

Posted on 06/28/2005 8:57:43 AM PDT by Paul Ross

CAPE CANAVERAL -- Discovery's planned launch next month will mark the beginning of the end of the space-shuttle program, but parts of the rocket could help propel astronauts to the moon and beyond long after the current fleet of ships is retired.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Technical; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: boosters; spaceshuttle; srb; sts

Once the plane-like orbiters are mothballed in 2010, boosters from the shuttle's propulsion systems might be used to power lunar missions as well as flights to the international space station.

In the Apollo era, a single launch of the giant Saturn 5 rocket carried to orbit everything needed for a moon expedition: a lunar lander, crew module and service module that provided propulsion and power. A similar approach today would require another vehicle capable of lifting huge amounts of hardware.

The likely solution: launchers created from parts of the so-called shuttle stack that includes the external fuel tank and twin solid rocket boosters.

"We talk about retiring the space shuttle. What is really meant is that we need to retire the space-shuttle orbiter," NASA Administrator Michael Griffin told Congress recently. "If I remove the orbiter and put on a cargo module, I have a heavy lifter."

A shuttle-derived booster would have lots of advantages besides its ability as a heavy lifter.

The shuttle's components are considered safe for human missions. Many of the facilities to build, process and launch a new vehicle already are in place. The time required to develop a shuttle-based booster would be a relatively short four to five years. Many shuttle workers at places such as Kennedy Space Center could continue on in the new effort.

"The shuttle-derived answer is significantly better in terms of the work force at the Cape [Canaveral]," said Steve Oswald, a former astronaut and Boeing vice president who heads the company's shuttle efforts.

Other possible solutions include upgraded versions of Atlas and Delta expendable rockets built for the Air Force, or a completely new design. NASA is expected to complete a study by mid-July assessing options for new launchers, spacecraft and ways of getting to the moon.

Current versions of the Atlas 5 and Delta 4 don't have the potential lift of some shuttle offshoots, but the rockets could possibly be used to carry crews to the space station. For missions to the moon and beyond, engineers estimate shuttle-derived vehicles could hurl up to 120 tons into a circular orbit 250 miles above Earth. That's close to the lift provided by the Saturn 5, the most powerful rocket ever built.

"If the requirement is for great big pieces to go to orbit, the shuttle-derived vehicle is it," said Mike McCulley, president of shuttle prime contractor United Space Alliance and a former astronaut. "I'm not criticizing either the Atlas or the Delta, but they have their limits. . . . If you start with a new rocket, it's years and billions [of dollars]."

Cost is an issue

The idea of using pieces of the shuttle as a powerful cargo launcher dates to the 1970s. The most serious effort was in 1987, when engineers at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala., started developing a concept called Shuttle C [cargo] in the wake of the 1986 Challenger accident.

The plan would have replaced the shuttle orbiter on some launches with an unmanned carrier to haul satellites and other items to space. The notion was abandoned in 1990, however, when it became clear that launch costs would be cheaper on expendable rockets.

A new study by NASA and shuttle contractors made public during an Orlando space-exploration conference in January identified several basic designs that could put people and cargo into orbit. One design would use one of the shuttle's twin pencil-shaped solid rocket boosters as a first stage, with a new manned vehicle or cargo carrier and a second stage perched on top.

The new manned ship, dubbed the Crew Exploration Vehicle, or CEV, will replace the shuttle orbiter as America's primary means of putting people in space after 2010. The CEV initially will be used to carry astronauts to the space station. NASA plans to select a design for the crew vehicle in early 2006 from two competing industry teams.

A single, modified shuttle booster rocket could carry an estimated 24 tons, enough to launch the CEV to the station. However, NASA is getting pressure from the Pentagon to use the Delta and Atlas fleets for some of its future missions. The financially struggling rocket lines badly need another government customer in addition to the Air Force.

Current versions of the Atlas and Delta rockets also could handle CEV missions weighing 22 tons or less without major modifications. It's possible that Atlas, Delta and the shuttle's booster rocket all will be used to launch the CEV. No decision has been made.

Griffin has said cost would be the biggest factor. However, he and others continue to hail the safety record of the shuttle's solid rocket booster.

After being redesigned in the wake of the Challenger accident, two of the boosters have performed safely on each of the 88 shuttle launches since. It's unclear how costly and time-consuming it would be to qualify the Atlas and Delta rockets as safe for humans.

"Atlas [5] and Delta [4] are still relatively new vehicles," Oswald said. "The [shuttle] boosters are just incredibly reliable. We haven't seen anything that has scared us in the solid rocket motors since Challenger."

Heavy missions

Atlas and Delta rockets also are being looked at for weightier missions to the moon and beyond. However, two other shuttle-derived proposals appear to be far more likely alternatives.

A design similar to the old Shuttle C concept would swap the space plane for a cargo carrier mounted on the side of the external fuel tank. Unlike the orbiter, the carrier would not be reusable.

Cheaper, expendable main engines would be developed to replace the costly reusable versions on the shuttle. Engineers estimate the rocket would be capable of hauling a hefty 100 tons to an orbit 250 miles high.

Another, more powerful shuttle-derived design would modify the tank to put four main engines beneath it and a cargo carrier with a second-stage engine on top. The colossal 36-story launcher, which would look similar to traditional expendable rockets, also would be equipped with larger solid rocket boosters than those presently used on the shuttle.

This so-called in-line heavy-lift rocket could launch an estimated 120 tons to orbit. It would rival the Saturn 5 as the most powerful booster ever.

"If you did the in-line heavy, you could just duplicate Apollo," said Oswald, explaining how a manned moon mission might work. "You could do it all in one launch."

"If you end up using the side-mount [design], you probably are going to need to launch some piece of that with something else," he added. "If you were going to go to Mars, you might end up needing two or three [launches] to get going, but that's better than 10 or 12."

Other factors

There are benefits to using existing shuttle hardware, besides its ability to lift heavy loads. The cost of developing entirely new rockets would almost certainly be far greater.

Much of the needed infrastructure to support shuttle-derived launchers already is in place at Cape Canaveral. Existing launch pads could be modified, depending upon the rocket's design. The fuel tank and solid rocket boosters would likely continue to be processed in current facilities.

"I think shuttle-derived is a win-win for the nation and NASA and for us," said McCulley, whose company would be the leading contender to operate any new shuttle-derived rocket. "There is a lot of investment, a lot of capital, that the United States has got in this infrastructure that is designed to operate the existing system."

The costs of operating such a system would almost certainly be cheaper than the current shuttle program. About 40 percent of the present expense goes toward maintaining the three reusable orbiters and preparing them for flight. Discovery, Atlantis and Endeavour would be retired.

As a result, the orbiters' processing hangars could be closed or used for the new Crew Exploration Vehicles. Shops that work on the orbiters' thermal-protection systems would no longer be needed. And shuttle-landing facilities at KSC, Edwards Air Force Base in Southern California and White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico, as well as emergency runways in Europe, might be shut down.

"We think that the operations costs would be on the order of half of what they are today," Oswald said. "Certainly, the shuttle-derived vehicle's number of folks would be smaller. We think that number is about half."

The direction NASA chooses will affect not only the shuttle work force at KSC and other agency field centers, but also the direction of human space exploration for years to come. The challenge is to quickly find the safest, most effective alternative at the lowest possible price.

The result could be that parts of the shuttle still will be flying decades from now.

"When you get into the 100-metric-ton [110-U.S.-ton] range, it's clear that the nation owns one and only one vehicle in that class," NASA Administrator Griffin told reporters last month. "That is, broadly speaking, the shuttle stack."

1 posted on 06/28/2005 8:57:51 AM PDT by Paul Ross
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To: Paul Ross

If you re-use old technology, how can it be the next generation?.......


2 posted on 06/28/2005 8:59:26 AM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy. The Marines make the world safe for the Army.....)
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To: Red Badger

Badger, the terminology is not "old". In Washington that word is "proven". If you are operating under the budget constraints NASA appears to be under, maybe you would also see some value in not having to flight qualify a whole bunch of critical components.


3 posted on 06/28/2005 9:08:01 AM PDT by battlecry
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To: Red Badger
Because there is, basically, no new technology "off the shelf" so to speak. And very, very limited funds for R&D.

A true new technology would be a maglev rail launch off the side of the Rocky Mountains to supersonic speeds before lighting up the SRBs.

4 posted on 06/28/2005 9:10:55 AM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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To: Paul Ross

This might be a dup thread. The BDB was a good idea, and it is about time to make it happen.


5 posted on 06/28/2005 9:12:22 AM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: Paul Ross

Why not just wait 10 years and NASA can buy a ticket on Virgin Galactic? It will save us billions (sic).


6 posted on 06/28/2005 9:13:10 AM PDT by American Vet Repairman
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To: Paul Ross
"If the requirement is for great big pieces to go to orbit, the shuttle-derived vehicle is it," said Mike McCulley, president of shuttle prime contractor United Space Alliance and a former astronaut. "I'm not criticizing either the Atlas or the Delta, but they have their limits. . . . If you start with a new rocket, it's years and billions [of dollars]."

So why wasn't this done starting 19 years ago after the Challenger exploded?

7 posted on 06/28/2005 9:14:16 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: RightWhale

Nah, I just didn't get around to posting it yesterday, but I did incorporate it into a previous thematically connected thread.


8 posted on 06/28/2005 9:15:45 AM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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To: Paul Ross
A true new technology would be a maglev rail launch off the side of the Rocky Mountains to supersonic speeds before lighting up the SRBs.

Why would anyone want to launch from mid-continent? If anything goes wrong you could have the equivalent of a tactical nuclear weapon landing on a populated area.

9 posted on 06/28/2005 9:16:13 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paul Ross
ATK's CEV launcher:



ATK's Shuttle-C:



ATK's Heavy Lifter:





These are the *low* rez images...
10 posted on 06/28/2005 9:33:58 AM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Paul Ross
Another, more powerful shuttle-derived design would modify the tank to put four main engines beneath it and a cargo carrier with a second-stage engine on top. The colossal 36-story launcher, which would look similar to traditional expendable rockets, also would be equipped with larger solid rocket boosters than those presently used on the shuttle.

This would be as expensive as developing a new rocket system, if not more so. The shuttle's external tank (ET) is designed to carry the SRB's and the shuttle in the current configuration. Putting rocket engines below and stages above the ET would add radically different load paths, and new structures to support them. If you have the artificial constraint of "it must be derived from an ET", you add unnecessary cost to the project. Replacing the shuttle with a cargo pod would be a lot less expensive.

11 posted on 06/28/2005 9:36:00 AM PDT by Fudd (I'm the only one in this room qualified to handle a Glock foe-ty....)
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To: Paul Ross

12 posted on 06/28/2005 9:37:35 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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This so-called in-line heavy-lift rocket could launch an estimated 120 tons to orbit. It would rival the Saturn 5 as the most powerful booster ever. "If you did the in-line heavy, you could just duplicate Apollo" . . . engineers estimate shuttle-derived vehicles could hurl up to 120 tons into a circular orbit 250 miles above Earth. That's close to the lift provided by the Saturn 5 . . . If you start with a new rocket, it's years and billions [of dollars]."

Knock, knock, knock, hello-o-o-o-o-o! Anybody in there?

The obvious answer is a shuttle variation without the useless humans. That ouaght to save tons. If it's necessary to have humans a conventional Apollo type reentry vehicle would do.

13 posted on 06/28/2005 9:38:41 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: battlecry
"Old"..."Proven".....If one insists on using old/proven technology, then there is no incentive to provide new funding for new technology. NASA has become complacent and comfortable in its middle age. Don't rock the boat, don't make enemies on The Hill, keep the old stuff running as long as possible and no one will complain. IOW, a genuine bureaucracy...............
14 posted on 06/28/2005 10:07:41 AM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy. The Marines make the world safe for the Army.....)
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To: Red Badger

You have nailed it. Just take a look at the hoops they have to fly through (sorry, bad pun) to get a nuclear-powered RTG. How hard was it to request a few eyeballs from our intel groups to check over Columbia?


15 posted on 06/28/2005 12:24:37 PM PDT by battlecry
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To: battlecry

For the last three decades NASA has been wandering the halls of Congress with one hand out and the other hand pressing flesh. They have had no real leadership, only follow-the-leader-ship. They should be putting forth new plans and proposing new research. When W proposed going back to the Moon or Mars, it was met with skepticism and doubt, instead of energetic gung-ho!...............


16 posted on 06/28/2005 12:39:53 PM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy. The Marines make the world safe for the Army.....)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Why would anyone want to launch from mid-continent? If anything goes wrong you could have the equivalent of a tactical nuclear weapon landing on a populated area.

It is easily targettable to avoid such problems.

Maglev sleds on the back of a decently high mountain would be about as safe as could be, lofting things into the atmosphere at 13,000+ feet....travelling at Mach 1.5...the tossed booster will follow a ballistic trajectory that can be aimed for safety if thrust flames out.

And the boosters we use today...even the man-rated ones...already have self-destruct. And why do you think that is? Picture a Challenger accident...right at the pad with an SRB heading straight at the VAB or toward other points of population risk.

There are a number of serious national security concerns about our spacelift that should also be improved by a Rocky Mountain location.

(1) Tsunami-avoidance. Very real threat as we have all witnessed.

(2)Hurricane Avoidance. Darn near lost the VAB last year.

(3) Vulnerability to enemy/terrorist attack would be substantially reduced. Too far inland for an easy attack. Mountainous terrain would make a cruise missile attack difficult. And the distance inland would give air defenses time to respond to an ballistic missile or SAM-type missile attack. The altitude of Mach+ launch-release at 13,000+ feet...over a presumed infilitrated saboteur down below on the plain, at say 4,000 or 5,000 feet in Colorado would make intercept by the enemy rather unlikely as the ship would accelerate rapidly upwards. A rather difficult stern chase for any would-be intercepting missile....

The one seriously adverse future scenario we likely need entertain worry about is if such a dedicated enemy has high power infrared lasers stashed down range...particularly if we don't control that new technology dissemination effectively.

17 posted on 06/28/2005 2:28:47 PM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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