[cwb]

"You're comparison would be valid *if* Islam had experienced anything like the Enlightenment."

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That's kind of my point since Islam has had no liberal reformation. I guess you also don't see the irony in liberals defending an ideology that prohibits things like woman's rights (as liberals accuse US conservatives of), homophobia (which liberals accuse US conservatives of), staunch nationalism (blah, blah, blah)? I can see my point went over some people's heads. Sorry

[weegee]

Islam does not have strong nationalism. It has a theocratic government. Nations mean nothing to them. ALL nations are to submit to their religious authority.