[Hermann the Cherusker]

and Catholics will not discover Him apart from the Mass. He has give us His word on this.

And that word is where?

"Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say unto you: except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you." (St. John 6.54)

[Zavien Doombringer]

Ok, if you want to play literal, go dig up the man and eat the flesh...

I can tell you this, the ritual of transubstantiation is not Christian, it is Egyptian.

As I have said before, God will not go agains't His own Word. HOw are you going to call down God, have Him manifest himself in the wafer/bread, to be eaten? The Sacrifice has been done. No other is needed. So why the ritual? This is idolatry, mysticism, divination with objects and all of this is forbidden in Deuteronomy. Will God lie? Will God change his words? Jesus already died. Why go through it again?

There is nothing in scripture dictating this ritual. The early Christians did not do this ritual.

[AgThorn]

"Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say unto you: except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you." (St. John 6.54)

Well, lets' just leave our agreement on this school being wrong in denying the children the 'sacraments' because of thier parents bad support, and that way we are 'in unison' in our belief. Our differences on theology and biblical understandings can be had another day. God bless!