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Parents miss Mass, kids get ax
NY Daily News ^ | 06.27.05 | NANCY DILLON

Posted on 06/27/2005 1:42:52 PM PDT by Coleus

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To: Protagoras

Scripture would also include the apocrypha, then. So why is it not in your Bible?


621 posted on 06/28/2005 12:10:07 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Former Fetus
This is a conditional sentence, therefore if you don't do X then Y will not happen!

Wrong. Try studying logic. This is a common misconception.

"If X, then Y" does not mean "If not X, then not Y" is true.

It means "If not Y then not X" is true.

If it snows, I will wear my boots.

This doesn't mean "If it doesn't snow, I won't wear my boots."

For example, it could be muddy, or I could like the way they make my legs look.

But it does mean if I am not wearing my boots, that it must not have snowed.

SD

622 posted on 06/28/2005 12:10:12 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Rutles4Ever
I seem to remember that a sin against the Holy Spirit was unforgiveable. Still think sins don't have grades?

Maybe a "for instance" could help this poor little Christian boy to understand. Guide me.

623 posted on 06/28/2005 12:11:32 PM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: Former Fetus
both of them walked to the front of the church, made confession of faith and were baptized.

In your belief, were they baptized with the Holy Spirit.

624 posted on 06/28/2005 12:11:34 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Protagoras
I can't find that "mortal" thing anywhere in the bible. Maybe you can point it out to me.

1 John 5:16-17

"If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin [mortal sin], about which I do not say that you should pray. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly [venial sin]."

What is Mortal Sin?
625 posted on 06/28/2005 12:11:47 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Former Fetus

Should be a question mark at the end of that:

In your belief, were they baptized with the Holy Spirit?


626 posted on 06/28/2005 12:12:07 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Rutles4Ever
Scripture would also include the apocrypha, then. So why is it not in your Bible?

I don't have "a" bible. We can use whatever one you want. The RC version is fine with me.

627 posted on 06/28/2005 12:12:52 PM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: Protagoras
Yep, and I never said anything about any numbers. I was talking about exceptions.

You are going on and on about it. You'd think there was nothing other than exceptions. Adult priests and parents are able to resolve issues like this.

One of the best Catholics (and Christians) I know goes to Mass in downtown Chicago almost everyday. Sometimes misses Mass at his church on Sunday.

Perhaps you didn't read the article. There is a differene between "sometimes misses Mass at his church on Sunday" and "hasn't shown up for Mass in months."

It's really foolish to continue talking about exceptions that are not the issue.

SD

628 posted on 06/28/2005 12:13:18 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: AgThorn
and Catholics will not discover Him apart from the Mass. He has give us His word on this.

And that word is where?

"Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say unto you: except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you." (St. John 6.54)

629 posted on 06/28/2005 12:13:42 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Aquinasfan

Thanks. I'll study up on that.


630 posted on 06/28/2005 12:13:53 PM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: Protagoras
Matthew 12:31-32

31 Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.

631 posted on 06/28/2005 12:13:58 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Protagoras

You don't have "a" bible, but you confess to live by it? That's kind of like calling oneself a Catholic and not going to chu-- nevermind.


632 posted on 06/28/2005 12:16:19 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Former Fetus; wideawake
"If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" Romans 10:9. Obviously I was not able to confess or believe when I was an infant, therefore I do not believe that particular baptism saved me.

Are the mute condemned to hellfire frombeing unable to speak?

Are infants unable to be saved since they cannot confess or believe? Or are all infants saved by virtue of being born? (And then when do they become "unsaved" again so that they need to confess the Lord Jesus to become saved again?) Your post is quite confusing.

633 posted on 06/28/2005 12:16:27 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Protagoras

I take that back. You didn't confess to live by it, but if something is not "biblical" APPARENTLY, you don't agree with it?


634 posted on 06/28/2005 12:17:43 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: SoothingDave
Adult priests and parents are able to resolve issues like this.

The real issue for me is the keeping of the children from the teaching of the gospel in order to try to force the parents to be better Catholics. I'm sorry, I can't advocate or even excuse that approach, and I know lots of Catholics who don't either.

I'll pray for the Priest, and the parents, and the children. It sounds like they all could use it.

635 posted on 06/28/2005 12:18:18 PM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: Protagoras
The real issue for me is the keeping of the children from the teaching of the gospel in order to try to force the parents to be better Catholics.

You somehow disassociate attending Mass from "teaching of the Gospel."

Don't you believe parents have a responsibility to raise up their children with good habits and faith?

Has your Church ever confirmed anyone who never attends services?

SD

636 posted on 06/28/2005 12:21:55 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: fortunecookie; SoothingDave

What you are witnessing is the extinguishing of the fire of the divine life in their souls from starvation of its natural food supply - the Most Holy Eucharist.

How very sad!

The very young you speak of are enthused because they still have the habits of faith and charity.


637 posted on 06/28/2005 12:22:31 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: SoothingDave
Try studying logic

Did that... for 2 years. But that's irrelevant. If Scripture says that I need to believe and confess in order to be saved, all I can do is thank the Lord for offering me such an option. I don't discuss with Him why He does what He does.

638 posted on 06/28/2005 12:23:17 PM PDT by Former Fetus (fetuses are 100% pro-life, they just don't vote yet!)
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To: Former Fetus
This is a conditional sentence, therefore if you don't do X then Y will not happen! Tell me, the thief on the cross didn't have a chance to being baptized, but he believed and confessed, don't you think he was saved? I do, because Jesus said so (today you'll be with me in Paradise).

How do you know that the Thief was not baptized? Many people were baptized by Christ's disciples. See St. John 3.23-4.2.

639 posted on 06/28/2005 12:25:32 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Rutles4Ever
You don't have "a" bible, but you confess to live by it?

I don't think any one of the several bibles I have used is better or worse than the others. Someone else may have that info, but as far as I'm concerned, they are not "one or the other". We have lots of bibles in my house. Some are even RC!

And,,I never said I live by the bible, you made that up. You do that a lot.

I try to live by it, but alas, I am a sinner. Like you.

That's kind of like calling oneself a Catholic and not going to chu-- nevermind.

It's nothing at all like that, so I'll be glad to "never mind" it.

640 posted on 06/28/2005 12:26:28 PM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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