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Parents miss Mass, kids get ax
NY Daily News ^ | 06.27.05 | NANCY DILLON

Posted on 06/27/2005 1:42:52 PM PDT by Coleus

Parents miss Mass, kids get ax

The pastor of a Staten Island Catholic church is playing holy hardball - kicking hundreds of kids out of religious ed classes because their families aren't showing up at Mass.

The Rev. Michael Cichon, pastor of St. Joseph/St. Thomas in Pleasant Plains, used each family's bar-coded donation envelope to track attendance.

He's tossed about 300 kids from classes and told them not to reapply until next April.

Without the classes, children cannot receive the sacraments, meaning some youngsters who thought they'd be making their First Communion next year will have to wait.

The suspensions, legal under church doctrine, were a shock to many parents with kids enrolled in the 1,400-child program, which caters to kids who don't attend Catholic schools.

"It's hurtful," said Joseph LoPizzo, 38, whose 6-year-old son was booted. "I've been a parishioner at that church for 23 years - longer than he's been the reverend."

LoPizzo said he paid the $150 for his son's Thursday afternoon classes last year, but his father-in-law's illness hampered the family's church attendance.

"I've just never heard of a church kicking you out," complained Lisa Nicol, 36, who got a letter saying her 7-year-old twin daughters had been barred from classes. "They should be more welcoming and sensitive."

The pastor said he suspended kids from the 2005-2006 after-school program because Mass is an "essential" component of the Catholic faith.

The affected families were attending church less than once a month, he said.

Cichon insisted that the move has nothing to do with the lack of a donation.

"There are many families who put absolutely nothing inside the envelopes they submit," he said.

Originally published on June 27, 2005



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: New York
KEYWORDS: canonlaw; catholiclist; ccd; children; church; churchattendance; lapsed; mass; nyc; parents; statenisland; whiners
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To: Mach9
Catholic schools at every level educating children from every religion under the sun--but not in religion

Reason #47 why we give our children a Catholic education at home!

True story - my cousin's husband, a former U.S. Marine now on his 2nd civilian career (he was too soft-hearted for security work) is the Principal of a Catholic school in the Philadelphia area. He's not Catholic; in fact, they don't attend any church at all!

361 posted on 06/28/2005 4:27:59 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Rats! I forgot to thaw the meat again!)
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To: USAFJeeper
went into a non Catholic church one time and on the bulletin board by church they had a list of people not meeting tithes posted there.

Are you serious. That is just plain wrong.

362 posted on 06/28/2005 4:37:49 AM PDT by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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To: Tax-chick

I'm convinced that if religion isn't taught and practiced in the home that it's virtually unteachable. Oddly, I don't mind nonCatholics as administrators in Catholic schools--I have more problems with '60s Catholics teaching religion.


363 posted on 06/28/2005 4:51:29 AM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: AliVeritas

Nope. Pennsyltucky. (Just outside of Philly.)


364 posted on 06/28/2005 5:09:18 AM PDT by Malacoda (*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ! *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*)
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To: TheGeezer
If mom and dad are not compelled to adore Jesus, present Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity in the Holy Eucharist, and to do it joyfully at least once a week on the Lord's Day

How do you compel someone to do something joyfully?

365 posted on 06/28/2005 5:13:28 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
All Catholics are under the pain of mortal sin to attend Mass every Sunday and all Holydays of Obligation (Christmas, Assumption, Ascension, All-Saints, etc.). This is Catholicism 101,

Considering the probable age of the parents, it's more than likely they were never taught these things -- some may have even have been told utterly otherwise from the pulpit. (Someone I knew in the 70s asked a priest for a dispensation from abstinence on Good Friday. She was told no, she could give herself a dispensation.) The wonder is that they retained enough to send their kids to CCD at all.

366 posted on 06/28/2005 5:24:30 AM PDT by maryz
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To: MarkL
These are probably similar to "Hebrew School," where kids go for religious education a few nights a week, and on Sundays, for kids who don't go to a Jewish day school.

Except, of course, that there's a strong Jewish tradition -- taken seriously, AFAIK -- that no Jewish child should be deprived of a Jewish education for lack of ability to pay. (I don't recall any "investigation" into how assiduously the parents practice.)

367 posted on 06/28/2005 5:28:42 AM PDT by maryz
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To: ga medic
As I was taught, only God has the right to judge what is within someone's heart.

Amen!

May I add -- Only God has the ability to judge what's in someone's heart.

368 posted on 06/28/2005 5:32:50 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
The word used here refers to infants, not youths.

Infants (being literally those who don't yet speak) probably weren't involved. The only age I recall in the article was seven.

369 posted on 06/28/2005 5:37:44 AM PDT by maryz
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; NYer; sinkspur; murphE
I have a different take on this:
which caters to kids who don't attend Catholic schools.

Often I find that children who don't attend the Parish school, don't get the education they should from the Parish. They get more hour on Sunday, with a recess. As a parent I have the obligation to help out. Having three kids, that doesn't leave much time. There should be at least two CCD classes for public School children, Sunday and Wednesday. They still is less than what the kids in Catholic schools get.

Going against my own argument, we also don't get as much tripe in the class as the Catholic School kids get, especially at the High School level.

Oh well, my $0.02
370 posted on 06/28/2005 5:38:57 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Instructing such people is utterly useless, as the habit of faith in them is dead.

You would reserve instruction for those who don't need it, then?

371 posted on 06/28/2005 5:39:04 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Tax-chick

Oh, Lord. Which one? We're in the Philly archdiocese!


372 posted on 06/28/2005 5:48:53 AM PDT by Malacoda (*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ! *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*)
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To: Dominick
My take is that we need to get back to first-rate Catholic schools taught by REAL CATHOLICS. The litigious and legalistic mentality of keeping track of who is attending Mass and how much they are contributing is a sorry statement regarding the condition of the Novus Ordo Church.

When you present QUALITY education, REVERENT Masses, and sane orthodox clergy and teachers, there are NO problems with money or attendance. In fact, there are "waiting lists" and overflow parking.

Get rid of the accountants and the OCD left-brained control freak clergy. They cause nothing but problems. And the church was never supposed to be a police state - tracking people. How ridiculous! How Orwellian!

Eucharistic Adoration, Latin Masses, Rosary, and Christian Classics in education are better ways to revive a parish, school, or college.

373 posted on 06/28/2005 5:50:34 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Coleus
Cichon insisted that the move has nothing to do with the lack of a donation.

Of course it doesn't < /sarcasm>

374 posted on 06/28/2005 5:51:15 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: Dominick

What's next "Smart card" envelopes wanded through on a magnetic strip? Complete with a banking e-mail update on your weekly contributions?


375 posted on 06/28/2005 5:53:52 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

I have no doubt that you are well educated on the Cathechism of the Catholic Church. I also know it is hard for those who take their religion and worship seriously to accept or tolerate those who do not. I have no problem with parents being accountable for their failure to donate or their failure to attend mass. My problem comes with refusing children access to religious education.

When I was young, my parents would have fit into this category. They did not attend Mass and did not participate in the parish. They did send me to religious ed. Had this pastor been in charge, I would surely have been removed from classes. But, I wasn't.

Believe it or not, it was these classes that gave me the basic element of my faith. (I wasn't able to attend these classes regularly either). It was this very basic faith that guided me through some very difficult family times. Had I not had that small amount of religious ed, there is no telling where I would have ended up.

Eventually, my mom got her act together. It took years and a lot of encouraging from my siblings and I. She is a fully practicing Catholic now as are my siblings and their families. Very simply stated, CCD once a week was the only thing I had. It provided a foundation that I have continued to build on throughout my life. Maybe as you say, I didn't deserve this Catholic education, but I thank God every day that I received it. As I have shared my story with others, I am amazed at how common it is. I am very thankful that God and my pastor did not give up on me, as this pastor is giving up on the children in his parish.


376 posted on 06/28/2005 5:57:01 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: MarkL; All

For crying out loud, read ALL of my posts on this thread before you comment.

THANK YOU!

Sheesh


377 posted on 06/28/2005 6:00:11 AM PDT by vrwcagent0498 (Mark Levin and Ann Coulter are my patron saints.)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

I do wish the system was different. It is very difficult to come up with $25,000/year for my children to attend Catholic School. It is the best money I have ever spent and would sacrifice much before removing them. I am not sure why it is this way, but I am sure that there is a reason. I would prefer the Philadelphia system and $4500/year.


378 posted on 06/28/2005 6:01:09 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: wideawake
As a practicing Catholic, and a conservative one at that, I think that the pastor is making a very bad mistake by punishing the children for the sins of the parents.

First, this may be the Church's only chance to minister to these children before they go off into the world.

Second, the pastor can always influence the children to get their parents back into the pew, e.g., "Daddy, Father Martin says that if you love Jesus, then you will come see him on Sundays. Why don't you like to visit Jesus, Daddy?"

Third, the pastor may be burning the only bridge than might lead a lapsed Catholic back to the Church.

While I certainly understand the Pastor's frustrations, and do not in any way excuse the conduct of the Parents, I truly believe that the Pastor is being shortlisted in his actions.

379 posted on 06/28/2005 6:03:04 AM PDT by CWW (Mark Sanford for President on 2008!)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
The litigious and legalistic mentality of keeping track of who is attending Mass and how much they are contributing is a sorry statement regarding the condition of the Novus Ordo Church.

You recall things as better in this way pre-NO? I know of people who left the church long before VII because of the constant harping on money. And in my own high school parish (ok, this was in the mid-60s, but it was long-standing practice), the girls in the secretarial course in the high school got credits for a one hour a week course in Office Practice, during which they recorded the weekly offerings by parishioner.

I do recall hearing back then, too, that if you wanted to get your kids into Catholic school (they were crowded then), your chances were infinitely better if the parish could see a good record of contributions.

380 posted on 06/28/2005 6:03:33 AM PDT by maryz
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