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1 posted on 06/27/2005 2:50:15 AM PDT by jeffers
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The awkward period is over!


2 posted on 06/27/2005 3:03:01 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH
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Your point regarding human nature is valid, but far too limited!

It is also "human nature" to try to get the most out of any position. Thus, corruption seeps into the untility formula which leads to those responsible making decisions based not on the utility of a "general welfare" concern, but instead, on the amount of money that will line thier own pockets!


3 posted on 06/27/2005 3:04:30 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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At that point, the long lingering suicide of New London, Connecticut will accelerate into high gear. The new hotel will pay zero taxes because no one will have reason to stay there. The new shops will close because with the main employer long gone, no one will have any money to buy anything. The city won't even have the tax money they collect from the homeowners because they ran away from the emminent danger.

Exactly correct.

I would not be surprised to see New London reconsider its shortsighted decision.

4 posted on 06/27/2005 3:05:02 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Gal.4:16)
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The author got one important point wrong. No one In America who plans on owning property in New London will move there. There are lots of net drains on society who would move to New London, probably in response to various city incentives and subsidies to pump up their incomes. This will go on until the city collapses, and or petitions the socialists in State or the Federal government for more aid to keep the ponzi scheme going.
5 posted on 06/27/2005 3:05:12 AM PDT by Truth29
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Does anyone know if there are plans for a boycott of New London?


6 posted on 06/27/2005 3:09:44 AM PDT by SIDENET ("You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred")
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"If you rely on a free market instead, you almost always end up with either too many apples and not enough oranges, or vice versa, and the extra quantity goes to waste, benefiting no-one."

While I agree with your conclusion that this will ultimately fail, I disagree with your logic. You see, communisism is the system that is inefficient producing too much of the wrong product and too little of the right product. This is a fact inherent to centralized planning. The planners simply do not have sufficient information to forcast demand since they do not have the market to provide crucial pricing informatioin.

That said, your conclusion should be that the centralized planning will produce too much of the wrong product and will collapse from inefficiency. You are also correct though in determining that most folks will work harder for themselves than for the central government.


8 posted on 06/27/2005 3:15:35 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stupidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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Did you write this?


15 posted on 06/27/2005 4:12:35 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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If you rely on a free market instead, you almost always end up with either too many apples and not enough oranges, or vice versa, and the extra quantity goes to waste, benefiting no-one.

Incorrect.

Only the free market gives you a rational price system to clear markets.

16 posted on 06/27/2005 4:16:03 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Gal.4:16)
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well, sir, I like the way your posting ends but I take exception to your initial premise based on your "equation"... and the conclusion that Communism, or Fascism or any sort of totalitarian, state-controlled economy is more efficient than a free-market economy.

GIGO - Garbage in; Garbage out.

or basic biology, K-101 (as in kindergarten)... Fish swim, Man can swim; Man is Fish.

By no means am I the definitive expert on the above. After all, you can dismiss my above as mere opinion from a layperson. Others far more qualified have written and proven the above; see Adam Smith, or Fredrick Hayek; Milton Friedman or Thomas Sowell for thoughts eminently more qualified than mine on this.

But you're on the right track, i'll grant u that...


17 posted on 06/27/2005 4:42:32 AM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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Good piece. Not many people realize it, but the Second American Civil War has just begun. No shots will be fired, but everything else will look like war, not politics.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "Franco is Still Dead, So Are the Democrats"

18 posted on 06/27/2005 4:47:48 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Anyone who takes the MSM seriously, deserves the likes of Dick Durbin.)
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This will be the touchstone of the revolt against these attacks by the Court. We will have to force the congress to stop the Court from killing our American dream.
If we don't, this great experiment in self government is over.


19 posted on 06/27/2005 4:58:36 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Dealing with liberals? Remember: when you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and he loves it.)
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Eventually, when Pfizer has to increase salaries to ridiculously high levels just to hire one new employee to sweep the floors

This makes absolutely no sense. If New London's actions have a disparaging effect on the local economy, then Pfizer should easily find someone who will sweep the floors for even less than they are paying now.

Many big companies locate in areas where the economy is depressed because of tax incentives and the prospect of cheap labor.
20 posted on 06/27/2005 5:06:20 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS
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You were told to go figure it out for yourself. Well, that's an excellent job you did! I am self-taught too, and I can't think when I've done such splendid figuring.
I am going to read this to my kid over breakfast. She gets the prime cut of FR every morning.


23 posted on 06/27/2005 6:16:23 AM PDT by Graymatter
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However, when I read this to the kid, I will have to omit the part about Russians getting what they deserved, since some of her ancestors..."left skin on the sidewalk" there. Bodies in the river would be more nearly accurate. For the crime of having a higher education. The Russian people did not deserve Communist oppression. Most were in no position to fight it. Most, indeed, took it in the back.


25 posted on 06/27/2005 6:25:42 AM PDT by Graymatter
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Have you ever felt like you were the little Dutch boy who stuck his finger in the leaking dike? Well, they just killed him and guess what will happen next.
26 posted on 06/27/2005 6:28:55 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (My tagline snapped the last time the MSM blew smoke up my ass. Now its gone forever.)
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This sort of thing has been going for years. People have fought tooth and nail to keep their property and they've nearly always lost.

Boycotting New London won't help. That'll just hurt other citizens in that town who had nothing to do with the problem.

The only real solution is to get states to pass legislation or even constitutional amendments to prevent eminent domain from being used in private development.

Sadly, a member of my family is one of those "greedy developers" who gets cities to use e/d for taking land for development. We've had many screaming matches over the years about it. His response? "Hey, it's legal."

And THAT is what we have to change. As long as it's legal, it'll keep happening and nothing else we do will stop it.

27 posted on 06/27/2005 6:37:55 AM PDT by neverhome
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July 5th Protest Rally in New London,CT to support Kelo plaintiffs
31 posted on 06/27/2005 7:08:21 AM PDT by jwalsh07 ("Su casa es mi casa!" SCOTUS 6/23/05)
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You said,

"You get a much higher utility out of your apples and oranges when a central authority decides how many of each should be produced. If you rely on a free market instead, you almost always end up with either too many apples and not enough oranges, or vice versa, and the extra quantity goes to waste, benefiting no-one."

But that "conclusion" is based on the ASSUMPTION that the "...central authority..." actually KNOWS -- in advance -- the exact numbers of apples and oranges that WILL be needed.

In the real world, the naive belief that such "fortune-telling" might "really" work is generally attributed to gullible, wish-prone children.

And to "liberals"...


36 posted on 06/27/2005 7:38:14 AM PDT by pfony1
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100% correct! If the use of eminent domain is abused by a city, look for people to purchase their home dwellings outside of cities who abuse the system. Another thought, why up keep your property if it can be snatched away from you. This ruling has to many negatives.

Side Note:

If a dwelling is taken for eminent domain purposes, the effected party should get replacement cost, fair market value more often than not leaves the effected party in a negative situation. I know from personal experience.
37 posted on 06/27/2005 7:38:55 AM PDT by mr_hammer (I call them as I see them!)
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The government of New London, Connecticut, isn't evil, or corrupt, or even greedy, they are simply wrong.

I don't know if I agree with that. True they are wrong and unlikely to be evil but, I see no reason to assume they are not corrupt or greedy.

40 posted on 06/27/2005 9:39:19 AM PDT by Sinner6 (http://www.digital-misfits.com)
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