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U.S. Apache helicopter down in Iraq -military
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Posted on 06/27/2005 1:52:03 AM PDT by iso

U.S. Apache helicopter down in Iraq -military

4 minutes ago

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A U.S. Apache attack helicopter crashed in Iraq on Monday, a U.S. military spokesman said.

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"We had a helicopter crash northwest of Taji," Lieutenant Colonel Cliff Kent, spokesman for the 3rd Infantry Division said, referring to a major airbase north of Baghdad.

He said an investigation was underway. It had not yet been determined whether there were casualties aboard the AH-64 helicopter, which carries a crew of two, Kent said.

Local people said they saw one of a pair of helicopters crash out of the sky just north of Baghdad. They said it was not clear whether the helicopter had been fired upon.


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KEYWORDS: apache; helicopter; helicoptercrash; iraq; taji
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1 posted on 06/27/2005 1:52:03 AM PDT by iso
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To: iso

U.S. Military Helicopter Crashes in Iraq

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MISHAHDA, Iraq - A U.S. military helicopter crashed in a field north of Baghdad on Monday morning, witnesses and the U.S. military said. There were no immediate reports of casualties.

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The crash occurred in Mishahda, 20 miles north of the capital, an Associated Press reporter at the scene said. The helicopter was in flames on the ground.

The military confirmed that a Task Force Baghdad helicopter crashed around 11 a.m. northwest of Baghdad. http://p22.news.re2.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050627/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_helicopter_crash_1;_ylt=AttQXdxlRg7QLXDjn07XSNtX6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

2 posted on 06/27/2005 2:25:50 AM PDT by iso
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To: iso

U.S. Military Helicopter Crashes in Iraq

By AHMED AL-DULAIMI, Associated Press Writer

19 minutes ago

MISHAHDA, Iraq - A U.S. military helicopter crashed in a field north of Baghdad Monday morning, witnesses and the U.S. military said. There were no immediate reports of casualties.

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The helicopter went down in Mishahda, 20 miles north of the capital, an Associated Press reporter at the scene said. The helicopter was in flames on the ground.

The military confirmed that a Task Force Baghdad helicopter crashed around 11 a.m. northwest of Baghdad.

Heavy gunfire was heard at the time of the crash, and white smoke billowed from the helicopter before it burst into flames and slammed into the ground, the AP reporter said. Gunfire was also heard after the crash.

3 posted on 06/27/2005 2:42:58 AM PDT by iso
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To: iso

Praying for the pilots and those trying to rescue them.


4 posted on 06/27/2005 2:44:19 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny

Hope they are safe .


5 posted on 06/27/2005 2:46:17 AM PDT by iso
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To: iso


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160754,00.html

U.S. Helicopter Shot Down in Iraq
Monday, June 27, 2005

The U.S. military has confirmed to FOX News that an Apache helicopter (search) was shot down near Taji, Iraq. A smoke trail was seen before it slammed into the ground, killing the pilot, gunner and both passengers aboard.


6 posted on 06/27/2005 3:03:59 AM PDT by libtoken
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To: libtoken

There are no passenger seats on an Apache.


7 posted on 06/27/2005 3:07:26 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: iso

prayer heavenward


8 posted on 06/27/2005 3:19:03 AM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: iso
Prayers out to the families and fellow soldiers of these brave warriors.


9 posted on 06/27/2005 3:35:39 AM PDT by Flyer (Nuthin' finer than a grackle crap marinade for fixin' those word famous Houston face fajitas)
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To: iso

It's gonna be a long day. Here's to safety in the skies and on the ground.


10 posted on 06/27/2005 3:45:58 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Remind Liberal Cowards Why America Freed Iraq: http://massgraves.info/)
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To: leadpenny

Now, now, leadpenny: Let's not FACTS get in the way of reporting the news. ;)


11 posted on 06/27/2005 4:01:45 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Remind Liberal Cowards Why America Freed Iraq: http://massgraves.info/)
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I'm sure someone somewhere could find a story where an Apache has carried someone on the weapons mounts in a rescue situation but it sounds like these folks were just returning to base. Cobras made more than one rescue in Nam by carrying personnel on open ammo doors on either side of the aircraft.


12 posted on 06/27/2005 4:10:19 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: iso

Prayers to the occupants.


13 posted on 06/27/2005 4:20:20 AM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: iso

Any way to find out the name of the pilot? Trying to check on a friend.


14 posted on 06/27/2005 5:42:36 AM PDT by Kentucky (Annoy a liberal- Work Hard- Succeed - Be Happy)
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Task Force Baghdad helicopter crashes (UPDATE)

BAGHDAD , Iraq — Two Task Force Baghdad Soldiers were killed around 11 a.m. June 27 when their AH-64 Apache helicopter crashed northwest of Baghdad .

The names of the Soldiers are being withheld pending notification of the next of kin.

The incident remains under investigation.

http://www.mnf-iraq.com/Releases/June/050627f.htm Rest In Peace

15 posted on 06/27/2005 6:21:03 AM PDT by iso
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To: leadpenny
Yep.

http://pao.hood.army.mil/21CAV/articles/apache_pilots_save_comrades_in_d.htm

Apache Pilots Save Comrades in Daring Rescue

By Cpl. Benjamin Cossel, USA
Special to American Forces Press Service

CAMP TAJI, Iraq, Nov. 5, 2004 -- For two AH-64D Apache Longbow pilots, the night of Oct. 16 was just a regular night flying a reconnaissance mission around southern Baghdad.

apache pilots exiting aircraft

Then a distorted cry for help came across the emergency radio, shattering the chatter of all other communications. They recognized the call sign; they recognized the area; and a few minutes later, they were en route to perform what would become a heroic rescue.

"I really couldn't make out at first what was going on. The transmission over the radio was broken up and weak, but I could make out that it was a distress call," said Lodi, Calif., native Army Chief Warrant Officer Justin Taylor, an Apache pilot with Company C, 1st Battalion, 227th Aviation Regiment, of the 4th Brigade Combat Team.

At first, the transmission seemed as though it might be coming from a U.S. Marine Corps aircraft. The call sign of another aircraft speaking to the downed pilot was of Marine Corps designation, Taylor said. He radioed to Marine Corps headquarters asking if any aircraft of theirs was down in the area. The response came back -- negative.

Then a call sign familiar to Taylor and Capt. Ryan Welch, the air mission commander, came across the guard, or emergency, channel. The two men now knew that Army OH-58D Kiowa helicopter pilots were down.

"We're in zone 43," came the weak transmission.

"I recognized the area and immediately made the decision that we were going to break from our sector and go over to the area," said Lebanon, N.H., native Welch. "Those were our guys on the ground, and we had to help. My first thought was we would provide aerial security."

As the team changed flight paths, they notified the USMC aircraft they had heard earlier of their intentions and made a call to 4th BCT headquarters to alert the unit to their movement.

When they arrived in the area of the crash site, they began trying to contact the pilots on the ground.

"As soon as we told the Marines what we were doing, a call came up on the guard channel. It was the same call sign but a different numerical designation," Welch explained.

The wounded pilot explained that the pilot who had called previously was now unable to respond, that two other pilots had been killed in action, and that he and the other survivor were trying to make their way to a defensible position but were having difficulty because one of the wounded men was unable to walk.

"When we flew over the sector, we immediately picked up the heat signature of a burning fire," said Welch.

"But at first we weren't sure what it was. It kind of looked like one of the many trash fires you see all over Baghdad," Taylor added.

While the two were flying over the fire trying to get a better look at the ground, an excited call came up. "You just flew over our position," the transmission informed.

Welch's wingman noticed the emergency strobe on the ground and notified Welch of the positive identification.

"Once we had identified the crew on the ground, I made the call that we were going to land and get those pilots out of there," Welch said. "I had no idea of the situation on the ground or what the landing zone looked like, so I informed my wingman to fly a tight defensive circle around our position to provide cover if needed.

"As we landed and I got all the cords off of me, I looked back at (Taylor) and told him if he started taking fire, (he should), 'Get this bird out of here, leave me, and we'll collect all of us later.'"

Welch had landed his Apache approximately 100 meters from the crash site. Armed with his 9 mm pistol and an M4 Carbine rifle, he set out to collect the downed pilots.

Welch contacted the pilots and asked if they were able to come to him themselves. Again it came over the radio that one of the pilots couldn't walk. They would need help getting out of their location.

"I basically had to stumble my way through an open field. It was treacherous, with potholes and low brush. I stumbled a couple times," recalled Welch. "But I finally came up on the crash site about 10 minutes later."

When Welch arrived on the scene he saw one pilot standing and one sitting. The two had been able to get a fair distance away from the aircraft.

"As I came up on them, I noticed they looked pretty bad, multiple cuts on their face and both looked like the early stages of shock had set in. I called out to (Army Chief Warrant Officer Chad Beck), who was standing, to get him to help me with (Chief Warrant Officer Greg Crow)," Welch said. "It took a few seconds to get Mr. Beck's attention as he was visibly shaken and dazed."

Both of the downed pilots were assigned to the 1st Battalion, 25th Aviation Regiment of the 25th Infantry Division. Their unit is attached to the 4th BCT, Welch's unit.

As the two got Crow up and began the long trek back to Welch's Apache, the mess of tangled cords attached to their equipment nearly tripped them up. "We stumbled initially with all those wires just everywhere," Welch said. "I pulled out my knife and just cut them all away, and we took off."

Assisting two wounded men over the treacherous 100 meters to his waiting Apache, Welch said the time seemed to slow down to an absolute crawl. They inched their way back, working carefully not to further injure Crow.

"We had to move kind of slow," he explained. "I swear it probably took us like 10 minutes to get back, but it seemed like we were out there for hours. I was never so relieved to see (Taylor) and my bird sitting there."

Four personnel to get out and only two seats in the Apache posed a problem. Self-extraction was a maneuver the pilots had been told about in flight school -- a maneuver considered dangerous enough that no practical application was given, just the verbal "here's how you do it."

Hanging from every pilot's flight vest is a nylon strap attached to a carabiner. On the outside of the Apache there are handholds bolted on primarily to assist maintenance crews as they work on the birds. But, they also have another purpose -- to be used in the event of a self-extraction. The general idea is for the pilot to wrap a nylon strap through the handholds and then connect the strap to the carabiner. The aircraft then flies off to a safe location with the person attached to the outside of the aircraft.

"I knew getting back to my bird that Mr. Crow was in no position for self- extraction -- that I would have to put him in the front seat," explained Welch. "I radioed to (Taylor) and told him what I intended to do -- Crow in the front seat, Beck and I strapped to the outside."

At first Taylor just looked at Welch, a little surprised at the plan. "It kind of surprised me at first. And then I just thought, 'Cool, that's what we're going to do,'" said Taylor.

Beck and Welch worked to get Crow into the front seat as Welch explained what was next to Beck. "At first Beck really didn't want to leave. His commander had just been killed, and he still wasn't thinking 100% clearly."

"I can't go; I just can't go," pleaded Beck, but soon enough he understood the situation.

And then another problem surfaced. "The mechanism Kiowa pilots use for self- extraction is different than the setup Apache pilots use," explained Welch. "But we finally got it worked out, got Beck hooked up, and then secured myself to the aircraft."

Secured and assuming a defensive posture with his rifle, Welch gave Taylor the thumbs-up sign and the Apache lifted off. "I was a little bit freaked out," explained Taylor. "You just don't fly an Apache by yourself; it's definitely a two-man aircraft"

At 90 miles per hour the helicopter flew 20 kilometers to Forward Operating Base Falcon, the closest base with a combat support hospital.

"I only had my night visor on," said Welch. "I thought my eyes were going to rip out of my sockets and that my nose would tear from my face, the wind was so strong."

Landing on the emergency pad, Welch and Taylor helped medical personnel take Beck and Crow inside for treatment.

"One of the medics asked me if I was a medical-flight pilot," chuckled Welch. "You should have seen the look on his face when I told him, 'Nope, I'm an Apache pilot.'"

With the patients safely delivered to the hospital, the two exhausted pilots looked at each other with the same thought. "We both climbed back into our bird," Welch said, "and almost simultaneously said to each other, 'Lets go home.'"

(Army Cpl. Benjamin Cossel is assigned to the 122nd Mobile Public Affairs Detachment.)

16 posted on 06/27/2005 7:32:48 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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What an incredible story, thanks!


17 posted on 06/27/2005 11:19:48 AM PDT by BayouCoyote
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Thanks for finding that story. Those guys will have some great stories to tell their grandchildren.

On my 2nd tour in Nam I flew for an outfit that supported a Corps Hq. We had Loaches (Hughes LOH-6), Hueys and a few fixed wing. One of my guys was shot down west of Khe Sanh while flying the Corps Deputy Arty Cdr in a Loach. The Colonel was killed when they were hit by one round from a 23mm. All of his flight and engine instruments were shot out and he was very disoriented. Since he was close to Laos and the DMZ he landed on a hilltop that was also an abandoned firebase. It was just inside South Vietnam. Night fell and the fog rolled in. He hallucinated but the Air Force King C-130 kept him on his survival radio each hour during the night. We almost crashed a huey trying to hover up the side of the hill in the dark and thick fog. The next day a hunter/killer team (two Cobras and a Loach)from the 101st were in the area as a small hole broke open. Mike said, "I see the Cobra." One of the Cobra Jocks saw the Loach on the ground and rolled in for a quick landing. Mike got a ride out on an open ammo door. I think he was 22 years old.

About a week later we had a pilot's meeting in the O'Club at Marble Mountain. Since MM was half Army and half Marine aviation, the club was packed a usual. WO1 Mike had the floor and you could have heard a pin drop as he told his story. I still get chills.

19 posted on 06/27/2005 2:24:52 PM PDT by leadpenny
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SOunds like Silver Star, DFC, or MOH material to me.


20 posted on 06/27/2005 7:54:10 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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