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Underneath the Chinese "Miracle" - Photographs the media will never publish
India-Defence ^

Posted on 06/26/2005 10:54:19 AM PDT by Srirangan

Children studying in their "classroom"..


Child Labourers..


A rural Chinese classroom..


More pics at: http://www.india-defence.com/node/310

(Excerpt) Read more at india-defence.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chian; china; crisis; divide; economic; poverty; redchina; rural
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1 posted on 06/26/2005 10:54:25 AM PDT by Srirangan
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To: Srirangan

A difference betw Indian and Chinese povety being India doesn't portray the image of being poverty free and the world is open to see and criticize. Whereas in China, the rural people and prisoners in their own country having no voice or representation.


2 posted on 06/26/2005 11:00:13 AM PDT by Srirangan
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To: Srirangan

Do you believe that classrooms in India are a whole lot better?

I submit that the reason India, China and just about every other country on the globe are doing better than the USA in education is due to their approach. Other countries don't pander to the 'losers', we do. The USA can't lower the bar low enough to appease the 'losers', while the countries moving ahead continue to raise the bar for the 'winners'. The result; superior students. Their 'Losers' are booted out of school and join the work force, hence the determination to stay in school.

The result, 'Winners' from other countries are kicking the pants off of us in every single subject. Students in India speak AT LEAST 3 languages, before graduation (Hindi - their national language, their regional dialect, and english). Are they better than US students? Beyond a shadow of a doubt.


3 posted on 06/26/2005 11:01:40 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Hodar

See post #2. The false portrayal of China in/by the media is being questioned here. Not poverty or education.


4 posted on 06/26/2005 11:04:07 AM PDT by Srirangan
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To: Hodar

That's because they HAVE to speak three languages. Don't worry though. We're getting there with Spanish, so soon everyone in th USA will have to speak two.


5 posted on 06/26/2005 11:05:38 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Srirangan

ping


6 posted on 06/26/2005 11:09:03 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (whats wrong with a draft?)
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To: Srirangan

Sure, glasnost can take away the blinders from a asociety but it can also precipitate societal collapse (as happened in the ex-USSR).

China's crafty image-management has lured there 10s of 1000s of tourists with $mills in hard currency; has created an impression of awe and reverence amongst neighbours and world capitals alike etc. I wouldn't say these achievements are entirely empty.

India's openess has been praised by many eminent economists (including even the venerable Peter Drucker) as being better off in the long run but remember, in the long run we're all dead anyway.


7 posted on 06/26/2005 11:11:05 AM PDT by voletti (Civilizations don't die. They commit suicide..)
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To: rlmorel
We're getting there with Spanish, so soon everyone in th USA will have to speak two.

Show me a Spanish speaking country, and I'll show you a 3rd world dump. Furthermore, I'll show you a country with stellar rates of corruption, poverty and illiteracy. There isn't a whole lot we can learn from Spanish, that is actually worth learning.

I would submit if we are going to learn a second language, it should be from a country that has something worthwile to offer. Japanese comes to mind as a potential candidate.

8 posted on 06/26/2005 11:11:42 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Srirangan; Hodar; Chieftain

Well, well....communism at its finest.

Why can't we send our juvenile delinquents and teenage gansta rapsters and gang members there? We are so far off with our educational system it just makes me sick! And then to have the Libs touting China as the beacon of Leftist advances in socialization and "freedom"...yeesh.

I can just see the Teachers' Union and the ACLU all freaking if we set up schools like this for those here who don't want to study in their multi-million dollar classrooms and tell teachers to F off. If we didn't have such a Welfare Safety net, maybe our juvenile deliquents would think twice about their education.

I wonder what the chinese version of Eubonics is? ha.


9 posted on 06/26/2005 11:13:14 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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Looks like we'd better start shipping the cash over in boxcars....


10 posted on 06/26/2005 11:16:29 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Srirangan
Having worked extensively in the PRC and Asia in general I can tell you that there is no such thing as a 'Level Playing Field' re: Trade with China (Or most any other 3rd World Economy for that matter).

They are not hobbled with environmental compliance, labor standards, zoning laws or any of the myriad regulations that we in the US are bound to comply with, at both great expense and degradation of our ability to compete against the flood of unfettered production originating in these free wheeling, merchantilist totalitarian states. To boot, the existence of numerous non-tarriff barriers and outright prohibitions against imports of our production further exacerbate the imbalances. Our trade negotiators are blind to these disparities and their counsel to our industries to streamline and compete are the ultimate travesty.

11 posted on 06/26/2005 11:17:31 AM PDT by drt1
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To: Hodar
Show me a Spanish speaking country, and I'll show you a 3rd world dump.

Good point. The world strives to learn English, as it is the "international business language," and a way out of poverty. In the US, Spanish is on the rise as our major cities begin to resemble 3rd world hell holes.

12 posted on 06/26/2005 11:18:52 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Liberalism kills)
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To: Srirangan

Thank you for posting these.


13 posted on 06/26/2005 11:21:14 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: Hodar

I agree. I was merely making a tongue in cheek analogy on the point of why Indians must learn three languages.

I think the point the originator of this thread made is valid, though. Different issue. We don't want to hijack the thread.


14 posted on 06/26/2005 11:30:39 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Srirangan

Wait until the Chinese National Education Association begins to make demands, leaving even less for education.


15 posted on 06/26/2005 11:32:24 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Hodar
Heterogeneous populations tend to operated at cross purposes compared to homogeneous...our's certainly seems to..though there are other conflicts as well...

imo
16 posted on 06/26/2005 11:38:33 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Just trying to get in touch with my inner tagline)
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To: Srirangan

BTT


17 posted on 06/26/2005 11:44:06 AM PDT by Ramonan (Honor does not go out of style.)
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To: Srirangan

IF the regular media were to ever publish these, it would be in a way that somehow demonstrated the successes of communism. Child labor would just be viewed as part of their unique culture and efforts would be made to ascertain that the dignity of these children must not be besmirched by forcing democracy and the end of their 'culture' (in as much as their culture is communism and their use of child labor must be respected) upon them.


18 posted on 06/26/2005 11:45:04 AM PDT by fortunecookie
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RE: the people have no voice?

With an "average of 160 major incidents of social unrest every day in China's hinterland" the Chinese people are doing something and the Chi-Coms have deep concerns. To wit, "About 800 million of China's 1.3 billion people have yet to see any benefit from market reform while the corruption of local Communist party officials is ever more onerous."

one source: "Unrest Sharply Increasing Through Much of China," Jonathan Manthorpe Vancouver Sun. November 3, 2004

Who are these troublemakers? "According to the [NY] Times, the report notes that protests are now 'expanding from farmers and retired workers to include workers still on the job, individual business owners, decommissioned soldiers and even officials, teachers and students'. It indicts corruption among government and Communist Party bureaucrats as 'the main fuse exacerbating conflicts between officials and the masses'."

That is from the World Socialist Web Site, www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jun2001/chin-j15.shtml

China is among the most unequal nations on earth, reports the WSWS.

"Fueling the hostility to the Communist Party is the fact that its 64.5 million members are overwhelmingly drawn from the privileged 10 percent. More than 50 percent of party members in Shanghai for example are businessmen. A recent survey found that one third of university students had applied to join the Communist Party—the suspected motive was to get business connections."

Forget China converting to free-enterprise, freedom-loving capitalism. The complaint is that the Party has strayed too far from Marx and Mao.

What's a socialist to do?

On the bright side, "the Chinese leadership is haunted by the prospect that its policies are preparing another eruption of the masses."

Communist revolution 2.0? I hope so. End of "free trade" transfer of technology, wealth (FDI), and production of our goods and services.

We never let the internationalist Rockefeller Republicans and liberals "free trade" the Soviet Union into a true superpower -- we sure as hell should not be helping the Chi-coms.

20 posted on 06/26/2005 11:51:05 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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