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To: joanie-f; Jeff Head; Landru; jla; ForGod'sSake; Travis McGee

Ping for your comments. I've wondered when the the U.S. would start recognizing that China is in fact a fascist country, and is building it's military faster then Nazi Germany did. The chickens are really going to come home to roost for doing business with fascist China, all in the name of "free trade".

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>"We may be seeing in China the first true fascist society on the model of Nazi Germany, where you have this incredible resource base in a commercial economy with strong nationalism, which the military was able to reach into and ramp up incredible production," a senior defense official said..."


68 posted on 06/27/2005 9:56:54 AM PDT by FBD ( "A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." ~Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: FBD
My thoughts? Well, as I have been saying for the last 5-6 years, the Chinese fascist economic model (fed by the US and the rest of the free world) coupled with their communist politcs is going to equal something akin to ...


THE DRAGON'S FURY SERIES

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70 posted on 06/27/2005 2:15:12 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: FBD; Jeff Head; Minuteman23; Squantos
Thanks for the ping, Les.

First, let me provide a second plug for Jeff’s superb five-volume Dragon’s Fury Series. It was an honor for me to play a small part in its creation. And, with each passing day, I realize more painfully just how prophetic the series story line is. Jeff conceived the effort well before the catastrophic events of 9/11/01, and yet it seems that, with each new report of aggression, or the potential for aggression, that we confront, Jeff’s Greater Islamic Republic and Coalition of Asian States move one step closer to realization. Each volume is not only an excellent read, but is also eerie in its prophetic accuracy.

From the article above:

‘There's a growing consensus that at some point in the mid-to-late '90s, there was a fundamental shift in the sophistication, breadth and re-sorting of Chinese defense planning,’ said Richard Lawless, a senior China-policy maker in the Pentagon. ‘And what we're seeing now is a manifestation of that change in the number of new systems that are being deployed, the sophistication of those systems and the interoperability of the systems.’

Well, I’ll be damned if the above paragraph doesn’t outline the lethal nature of the real Clinton legacy.

Let’s review what we (at least we here on this forum) already know, but may occasionally need to be reminded of:

A U.S. State Department document released in early 2002 proved that during the years 1993 to 2000 the most successful Chinese espionage operation in history occurred. The document revealed that Hughes Space and Communications Company violated U.S. national security no fewer than 120 times by deliberately sending sensitive missile and satellite technology directly to the Chinese army. And at no time did Hughes seek or receive a license or other written government approval from the appropriate legal sources to provide sensitive military technology to our militaristic ideological enemy.

Chinese General Shen Rongjun (a leader in the Chinese Army’s Commission on Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense) led the infiltration of U.S. missile and satellite technology during the Clinton administration. General Shen was directly involved in the transfer of technology from Hughes to Chinese operatives, and the Clinton Administration not only turned the other way, but most probably played a large part in engineering the transfer.

Because of then Secretary of State Warren Christopher’s concern that Hughes might be selling sensitive missile and satellite technology to China, and because a State Department license was necessary in order to affect such a transfer, Clinton, ignoring vehement opposition from the Defense Department, the CIA, and the National Security Agency, transferred the power to issue those licenses to the Commerce Department, headed by (the now ‘unfortunately’ deceased) Ron Brown.

The bulk of the huge transfer of sensitive technology occurred immediately after General Shen met one-on-one with Brown in Beijing. (An aside: when Brown was head of the DNC, his committee was fined for ‘knowingly and willingly’ accepting donations from Chinese sources.)

Another all-too-familiar aside: Brown’s funeral was the tragedy that inspired the President’s instantaneous laughter/tears performance that will go down in history as the captured-on-film hypocrisy of the century.

General Shen promised satellite contracts to Hughes if technology transfers continued, and Hughes CEO Michael Armstrong did some arm-twisting in order to be able to accede to Shen’s demands. He threatened to withdraw his significant financial support in the upcoming presidential campaign if Clinton did not see to it that a waiver was issued for the transfers. The waiver was indeed issued and enormous amounts of detailed satellite encryption were summarily handed over to China.

Similar circumventing of legal channels for the transfer of missile guidance and satellite technology occurred in technology transfers from Loral Corporation to the Chinese.

Interesting factoid: Bernard Schwartz, the chairman of Loral, was the largest individual contributor to the democrat party in 1997.

Clinton's transfer allowed the Chinese army to acquire advanced U.S. satellite and missile technology for military purposes. Hughes satellites provided the Chinese army with secure communications that are virtually invincible in ground combat and provide extraordinarily accurate navigation for strike bombers and missiles. Hughes also provided the PLA with advanced technology that is essential for the design and manufacture of missile control systems and missile nose cones. The transfers from Hughes allowed China to develop a new generation of ICBMs that, without the help of the Clinton administration, would have taken China a decade or more to develop on its own. (Excerpt from the article at the head of this thread: ‘It is their surface-to-air missiles, their [advanced] SAMs and their surface-to-surface missiles, and the precision, more importantly, of those surface-to-surface missiles that provide, obviously, the ability to pinpoint targets that we might have out in the region, or our friends and allies might have.’)

In 1994, under similar circumstances, sensitive machine tools from an Ohio McDonnell Douglas high-tech factory – machine tools that had been used to make ICBMs and to build B-1, C-17, and F-15 aircraft (excerpt from the article at the head of this thread: ‘They have great equipment. The fighters are very technologically advanced, and what we know about them gives us pause for concern against ours.’) -- wound up in a Chinese factory that is known to produce Silkworm missiles. Just as occurred with the Hughes technology, the export of these sensitive machine tools required a government-issued export license. And, just as occurred with the Hughes technology, the licensing process was circumvented due to pressures from within the Clinton administration.

The Clinton administration also relaxed controls on the export of U.S. supercomputers. No efforts have been made to verify whether any of the forty-plus supercomputers that have been exported to China are being used in nuclear weapons work.

President Clinton also turned a blind eye to China’s actual theft of sensitive W-88 miniaturization nuclear warhead technology. And possession of this once uniquely American technology now allows China to affix up to ten nuclear warheads on a single missile, with each of the ten aimed at a different target. The W-88 warhead is light compared to other nuclear warheads, but its power is more than ten times that of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

Interesting factoid: five Chinese satellite launches (a few of which Loral was partnered in) failed between Sept of 1991 and August of 1996. As of August of 1998, many more have been lauched ... and none have failed.

Clinton hosted more than a hundred fundraising dinners in the White House in which he solicited, and received, huge financial contributions from our ideological enemies – with China sitting highest on that infamous list of foreign political supporters. Of course the acceptance of such campaign contributions is a federal crime. But the financial illegality of the Clinton strategy pales in comparison to the resulting threat to our national sovereignty – and to our very existence.

So, as a result of Clinton’s overriding normal State/Intelligence/Pentagon procedures, a series of illicit export control waivers were issued that allowed his top campaign donors to sell sensitive missile and satellite technology to China – technology that would result in this country being placed in the most precarious position in its history.

As if that weren’t treason enough, Mr. Clinton was simultaneously roadblocking the deployment of an American missile defense system, leaving us vulnerable to the very ICBMs that he was helping our enemies produce. American military manpower, materiel, and equipment (especially ships and aircraft) were also cut by roughly one-half during the eight years of the Clinton administration.

Also, on countless occasions, Mr. Clinton refused to impose sanctions on Beijing when intelligence discovered that it was sharing sensitive military technologies, most likely pilfered from America, with the terrorist states of North Korea, Iran and Pakistan.

Clinton was very successful in hiding both the results of his illegal waivers and the growing long-range missile threat to our safety and security … until 1998, when our illustrious president assured us that North Korea didn’t have ballistic missile capabilities … and only days later North Korea launched a missile over Japan that came down off the coast of Alaska.

A direct 1998 quote from the venerable Senator James Inhofe (R-OK): ‘ … It is apparent that the ongoing cover-up of China’s theft of nuclear secrets is one of the greatest national security scandals in American history. Secret files on virtually every technology used in the design of our nuclear arsenal have been compromised … [and] it is factual to say that President Clinton knew he was giving our missile technology to North Korea as well as to China.’

Also included in the technology transfer to China during the Clinton administration:

(1) five decades of information garnered from nuclear testing

(2) detailed data related to the design, use and power of nuclear warheads such as the W-56, W-62, W-76, W-87 -- for MX land-based missiles -- and W-88 -- for Trident submarine-based missiles

(3) sensitive details about the neutron bomb

(4) sensitive details about EMP (electromagnetic pulse) weapons

(5) manufacturing specifications for re-entry vehicles (excerpt from the article at the head of this thread: ‘[China is] also is developing a maneuverable re-entry vehicle, or MARV, for its nuclear warheads. The weapon is designed to counter U.S. strategic-missile defenses.’)

(6) space radar capabilities

(7) computer programs that simulate nuclear tests

Today we are aware that China has at least twenty ICBMs aimed at American cities, and many Pentagon and Intelligence Department officials firmly believe that they are ready to launch them, should we attempt to come to the defense of Taiwan when China seeks to re-absorb that island sometime in the next two years.

The sad and frightening fact is that now, in 2005, as a result of the treasons of 1993-2000, the power and technological advantage enjoyed by the Chinese is probably, in large part, the result of (bartered for political support) research reports, design specifications, computer models and hi-tech machinery provided by the United States. And, when we are called upon – most likely within the next two years – to defend Taiwan, we will find ourselves confronting an enemy largely armed to the teeth by one of our own Presidents.

Our men will die, our weaponry and equipment will be blown up, and freedom-loving nations will find themselves facing an ominous predator unlike any the world has ever known … in large part because of William Jefferson Clinton’s thirst for power, allegiance to a leftist political agenda … and obsessive desire to manufacture a personal legacy.

A related aside: Many political observers believe that Hillary Clinton is the front runner to win the democrat nomination for president in 2008. Nothing (other than perhaps events of an illicit sexual nature) occurred in the White House in 1993-2000 without Ms. Clinton’s knowledge, and possibly not even without her consent.

Should now-Senator Clinton ascend to the presidency in 2009, if China has not yet attempted to re-annex Taiwan by then, that island nation will find itself the (former) ally of a nation whose administration is significantly less willing to come to its defense than the current administration.

Just some food for thought (as if we need yet another reason not to vote for a candidate whose only qualification for the presidency is one-plus ignominious terms in the senate … and immeasurable chutzpah).

~ joanie

74 posted on 06/27/2005 10:04:56 PM PDT by joanie-f (Those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength ... they will run and not grow weary ...)
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To: FBD; Jeff Head; Minuteman23; Squantos
Thanks for the ping, Les.

First, let me provide a second plug for Jeff’s superb five-volume Dragon’s Fury Series. It was an honor for me to play a small part in its creation. And, with each passing day, I realize more painfully just how prophetic the series story line is. Jeff conceived the effort well before the catastrophic events of 9/11/01, and yet it seems that, with each new report of aggression, or the potential for aggression, that we confront, Jeff’s Greater Islamic Republic and Coalition of Asian States move one step closer to realization. Each volume is not only an excellent read, but is also eerie in its prophetic accuracy.

From the article above:

‘There's a growing consensus that at some point in the mid-to-late '90s, there was a fundamental shift in the sophistication, breadth and re-sorting of Chinese defense planning,’ said Richard Lawless, a senior China-policy maker in the Pentagon. ‘And what we're seeing now is a manifestation of that change in the number of new systems that are being deployed, the sophistication of those systems and the interoperability of the systems.’

Well, I’ll be damned if the above paragraph doesn’t outline the lethal nature of the real Clinton legacy.

Let’s review what we (at least we here on this forum) already know, but may occasionally need to be reminded of:

A U.S. State Department document released in early 2002 proved that during the years 1993 to 2000 the most successful Chinese espionage operation in history occurred. The document revealed that Hughes Space and Communications Company violated U.S. national security no fewer than 120 times by deliberately sending sensitive missile and satellite technology directly to the Chinese army. And at no time did Hughes seek or receive a license or other written government approval from the appropriate legal sources to provide sensitive military technology to our militaristic ideological enemy.

Chinese General Shen Rongjun (a leader in the Chinese Army’s Commission on Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense) led the infiltration of U.S. missile and satellite technology during the Clinton administration. General Shen was directly involved in the transfer of technology from Hughes to Chinese operatives, and the Clinton Administration not only turned the other way, but most probably played a large part in engineering the transfer.

Because of then Secretary of State Warren Christopher’s concern that Hughes might be selling sensitive missile and satellite technology to China, and because a State Department license was necessary in order to affect such a transfer, Clinton, ignoring vehement opposition from the Defense Department, the CIA, and the National Security Agency, transferred the power to issue those licenses to the Commerce Department, headed by (the now ‘unfortunately’ deceased) Ron Brown.

The bulk of the huge transfer of sensitive technology occurred immediately after General Shen met one-on-one with Brown in Beijing. (An aside: when Brown was head of the DNC, his committee was fined for ‘knowingly and willingly’ accepting donations from Chinese sources.)

Another all-too-familiar aside: Brown’s funeral was the tragedy that inspired the President’s instantaneous laughter/tears performance that will go down in history as the captured-on-film hypocrisy of the century.

General Shen promised satellite contracts to Hughes if technology transfers continued, and Hughes CEO Michael Armstrong did some arm-twisting in order to be able to accede to Shen’s demands. He threatened to withdraw his significant financial support in the upcoming presidential campaign if Clinton did not see to it that a waiver was issued for the transfers. The waiver was indeed issued and enormous amounts of detailed satellite encryption were summarily handed over to China.

Similar circumventing of legal channels for the transfer of missile guidance and satellite technology occurred in technology transfers from Loral Corporation to the Chinese.

Interesting factoid: Bernard Schwartz, the chairman of Loral, was the largest individual contributor to the democrat party in 1997.

Clinton's transfer allowed the Chinese army to acquire advanced U.S. satellite and missile technology for military purposes. Hughes satellites provided the Chinese army with secure communications that are virtually invincible in ground combat and provide extraordinarily accurate navigation for strike bombers and missiles. Hughes also provided the PLA with advanced technology that is essential for the design and manufacture of missile control systems and missile nose cones. The transfers from Hughes allowed China to develop a new generation of ICBMs that, without the help of the Clinton administration, would have taken China a decade or more to develop on its own. (Excerpt from the article at the head of this thread: ‘It is their surface-to-air missiles, their [advanced] SAMs and their surface-to-surface missiles, and the precision, more importantly, of those surface-to-surface missiles that provide, obviously, the ability to pinpoint targets that we might have out in the region, or our friends and allies might have.’)

In 1994, under similar circumstances, sensitive machine tools from an Ohio McDonnell Douglas high-tech factory – machine tools that had been used to make ICBMs and to build B-1, C-17, and F-15 aircraft (excerpt from the article at the head of this thread: ‘They have great equipment. The fighters are very technologically advanced, and what we know about them gives us pause for concern against ours.’) -- wound up in a Chinese factory that is known to produce Silkworm missiles. Just as occurred with the Hughes technology, the export of these sensitive machine tools required a government-issued export license. And, just as occurred with the Hughes technology, the licensing process was circumvented due to pressures from within the Clinton administration.

The Clinton administration also relaxed controls on the export of U.S. supercomputers. No efforts have been made to verify whether any of the forty-plus supercomputers that have been exported to China are being used in nuclear weapons work.

President Clinton also turned a blind eye to China’s actual theft of sensitive W-88 miniaturization nuclear warhead technology. And possession of this once uniquely American technology now allows China to affix up to ten nuclear warheads on a single missile, with each of the ten aimed at a different target. The W-88 warhead is light compared to other nuclear warheads, but its power is more than ten times that of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

Interesting factoid: five Chinese satellite launches (a few of which Loral was partnered in) failed between Sept of 1991 and August of 1996. As of August of 1998, many more have been lauched ... and none have failed.

Clinton hosted more than a hundred fundraising dinners in the White House in which he solicited, and received, huge financial contributions from our ideological enemies – with China sitting highest on that infamous list of foreign political supporters. Of course the acceptance of such campaign contributions is a federal crime. But the financial illegality of the Clinton strategy pales in comparison to the resulting threat to our national sovereignty – and to our very existence.

So, as a result of Clinton’s overriding normal State/Intelligence/Pentagon procedures, a series of illicit export control waivers were issued that allowed his top campaign donors to sell sensitive missile and satellite technology to China – technology that would result in this country being placed in the most precarious position in its history.

As if that weren’t treason enough, Mr. Clinton was simultaneously roadblocking the deployment of an American missile defense system, leaving us vulnerable to the very ICBMs that he was helping our enemies produce. American military manpower, materiel, and equipment (especially ships and aircraft) were also cut by roughly one-half during the eight years of the Clinton administration.

Also, on countless occasions, Mr. Clinton refused to impose sanctions on Beijing when intelligence discovered that it was sharing sensitive military technologies, most likely pilfered from America, with the terrorist states of North Korea, Iran and Pakistan.

Clinton was very successful in hiding both the results of his illegal waivers and the growing long-range missile threat to our safety and security … until 1998, when our illustrious president assured us that North Korea didn’t have ballistic missile capabilities … and only days later North Korea launched a missile over Japan that came down off the coast of Alaska.

A direct 1998 quote from the venerable Senator James Inhofe (R-OK): ‘ … It is apparent that the ongoing cover-up of China’s theft of nuclear secrets is one of the greatest national security scandals in American history. Secret files on virtually every technology used in the design of our nuclear arsenal have been compromised … [and] it is factual to say that President Clinton knew he was giving our missile technology to North Korea as well as to China.’

Also included in the technology transfer to China during the Clinton administration:

(1) five decades of information garnered from nuclear testing

(2) detailed data related to the design, use and power of nuclear warheads such as the W-56, W-62, W-76, W-87 -- for MX land-based missiles -- and W-88 -- for Trident submarine-based missiles

(3) sensitive details about the neutron bomb

(4) sensitive details about EMP (electromagnetic pulse) weapons

(5) manufacturing specifications for re-entry vehicles (excerpt from the article at the head of this thread: ‘[China is] also is developing a maneuverable re-entry vehicle, or MARV, for its nuclear warheads. The weapon is designed to counter U.S. strategic-missile defenses.’)

(6) space radar capabilities

(7) computer programs that simulate nuclear tests

Today we are aware that China has at least twenty ICBMs aimed at American cities, and many Pentagon and Intelligence Department officials firmly believe that they are ready to launch them, should we attempt to come to the defense of Taiwan when China seeks to re-absorb that island sometime in the next two years.

The sad and frightening fact is that now, in 2005, as a result of the treasons of 1993-2000, the power and technological advantage enjoyed by the Chinese is probably, in large part, the result of (bartered for political support) research reports, design specifications, computer models and hi-tech machinery provided by the United States. And, when we are called upon – most likely within the next two years – to defend Taiwan, we will find ourselves confronting an enemy largely armed to the teeth by one of our own Presidents.

Our men will die, our weaponry and equipment will be blown up, and freedom-loving nations will find themselves facing an ominous predator unlike any the world has ever known … in large part because of William Jefferson Clinton’s thirst for power, allegiance to a leftist political agenda … and obsessive desire to manufacture a personal legacy.

A related aside: Many political observers believe that Hillary Clinton is the front runner to win the democrat nomination for president in 2008. Nothing (other than perhaps events of an illicit sexual nature) occurred in the White House in 1993-2000 without Ms. Clinton’s knowledge, and possibly not even without her consent.

Should now-Senator Clinton ascend to the presidency in 2009, if China has not yet attempted to re-annex Taiwan by then, that island nation will find itself the (former) ally of a nation whose administration is significantly less willing to come to its defense than the current administration.

Just some food for thought (as if we need yet another reason not to vote for a candidate whose only qualification for the presidency is one-plus ignominious terms in the senate … and immeasurable chutzpah).

~ joanie

75 posted on 06/27/2005 10:09:12 PM PDT by joanie-f (Those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength ... they will run and not grow weary ...)
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To: FBD

What ever they'll do they'll wait for an Administration that will impose sanctions vs action to defend Taiwan. Just my opinion of course......


77 posted on 06/27/2005 10:12:40 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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