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I don't know about this comes across to FR car buffs but a Toyota Prius hybrid converted to a plug-in model that costs only $1 to recharge the batteries and gas is $4 for 150 miles?? Its certainly worth looking at even though the technology has quite a bit of a way to go before it becomes mainstream. Maybe powering a Prius (or any other hybrid car for that matter) in your garage is in your future.

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1 posted on 06/25/2005 1:22:52 AM PDT by goldstategop
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How could the plug in version cost $3K more? I think someone could come up with a home hobbyist kit for $100 or so.


2 posted on 06/25/2005 1:33:13 AM PDT by AZLiberty
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Automakers worry about the extra battery weight and extra cost from the super-size batteries and express doubts that owners would bother to charge the vehicles every night.

I had a leased EV1. Remembering to recharge it was never a problem. You come home. You plug in.

My charger had a timer on it so that it would start charging after midnight when the electric rates are about 1/10 of the day rate.

5 posted on 06/25/2005 1:48:21 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Recall Barbara Boxer)
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People interested in this issue should know that the
electric car, or the lack thereof,
is stictly an issue of cost.
Very practical electric cars could be built today.

Several years ago, there were GM and Honda electric
cars that sorta worked. With new lithium-polymer
batteries, these cars would be practical.


6 posted on 06/25/2005 1:48:25 AM PDT by greasepaint
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Toshiba claims it has invented a revolutionary lithium-ion battery which can be charged in minutes, about as long as it takes to gas up a conventional car. It intends to market these batteries to the hybrid market. Significantly, they are much more compact and would presumably restore trunk space. More, they would require less plug in and therefore not just move the pollution problem upstream to the electricity generating plant.

Now lets hear the cowboys pile on about their SUVs. I just want to say that hybrids will have a place, first as a commuter or delivery vehicle or fleet vehicle then perhaps for heavier duty.


7 posted on 06/25/2005 1:48:32 AM PDT by nathanbedford (The UN was bribed and Good Men Died)
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Let me give an example of a 'cost decision'
involving an electric car.
There are devices known as 'supercapacitors'.
With supercaps, you can, very fast, store/release electricity.
To store the energy of a '0 to 60 mph' acceleration,
you would need about $2000 of supercaps.
This would make 'regen' braking, a lot better,
and the car would be more versatile.
On the other hand, does it make sense to spend
two grand to store electricity worth one cent?


8 posted on 06/25/2005 2:16:41 AM PDT by greasepaint
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My SUV gets over 150 MPF (Miles Per Flush). And no potty stops required.

9 posted on 06/25/2005 3:11:21 AM PDT by WideGlide (That light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash.)
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Hope it works and helps weans us from Mid East and Venezuelan oil.


16 posted on 06/25/2005 4:41:36 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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Premium gas lovin', supercharged, 4wd fuel efficiency bump.


22 posted on 06/25/2005 5:09:11 AM PDT by GBA
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How can batteries ever be used in cars when they are not even reliable enough for golf carts to play 18 holes ?

Back to the drawing board you liberal wetdreamers.


BUMP

25 posted on 06/25/2005 5:40:47 AM PDT by tm22721
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Has anyone examined the health effects that the large magnetic fields of the current from/to the batteries has on the passengers? Charging during braking will cause a pulsating magnetic field, which may be even worse.


29 posted on 06/25/2005 6:21:50 AM PDT by Barry Goldwater
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The problem with the conversion is that it may dramatically reduce the battery life. And the batteries are expensive ($3,000 - $4,900).

From batteryuniversity.com:

The cycle life of sealed lead-acid is directly related to the depth of discharge. The typical number of discharge/charge cycles at 25°C (77°F) with respect to the depth of discharge is:

The lead-acid battery should not be discharged beyond 1.75V per cell, nor should it be stored in a discharged state. The cells of a discharged lead-acid sulfate, a condition that renders the battery useless if left in that state for a few days. Always keep the open terminal voltage at 2.10V and higher.

What the modification necessarily does is to stop the engine from turning on to recharge the battery until the battery is more drained than it would be in the original hybrid design. As long as you don't let the battery discharge more than 10% or so, it will last a long time.

The bottom line is that any gas savings would be offset by the cost of replacing a $3-$4K set of batteries on a frequent basis

43 posted on 06/25/2005 7:54:38 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When peace stands for surrender, fear, loss of dignity and freedom, it is no longer peace.)
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