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Anger as US hinders move to investigate Guantanamo abuse
Scotsman ^ | 6/24/05 | Bradley Klapper

Posted on 06/23/2005 8:47:55 PM PDT by Crackingham

United Nations human rights experts yesterday said they had reliable accounts of inmates being tortured at Guantanamo Bay and accused the United States of hindering their attempts to visit detainees at the US naval base in Cuba.

The four independent experts said the US had not responded to numerous requests to check the condition of terrorist suspects at the camp. They said their request for a visit was "based on information, from reliable sources, of serious allegations of torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of detainees, arbitrary detention, violations of their right to health and their due process rights".

The experts, who report to UN bodies on different human rights issues, have been trying to visit Guantanamo since early 2002. They said they had yet to hear back from Washington on their latest request - made a year ago and renewed in mid-April - to visit the camp. A US spokeswoman said the request was still being reviewed.

"The writ of international human rights does not stop at the gates of Guantanamo Bay," said Paul Hunt, of New Zealand, one of the experts whose role is to monitor physical and mental health.

Manfred Nowak, of Austria, an expert on torture, said: "We are not making a judgment if torture or treatment under degrading conditions has taken place." However, he said the failure of Washington to respond was leading them to conclude the US had something to hide. "At a certain point, you have to take well-founded allegations as proven in the absence of a clear explanation by the government," he said.

The experts' statement said: "We deeply regret that the government of the United States has still not invited us to visit those persons arrested, detained or tried on grounds of alleged terrorism or other violations."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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1 posted on 06/23/2005 8:48:01 PM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham
Manfred Nowak, of Austria, an expert on torture, said: "We are not making a judgment if torture or treatment under degrading conditions has taken place." However, he said the failure of Washington to respond was leading them to conclude the US had something to hide. "At a certain point, you have to take well-founded allegations as proven in the absence of a clear explanation by the government," he said.

It's the seriousness of the charge!
2 posted on 06/23/2005 8:49:31 PM PDT by USAfearsnobody
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To: USAfearsnobody

"expert on torture"--OK give this guy an award.

He probably belongs to a porno website.


3 posted on 06/23/2005 8:50:18 PM PDT by USAfearsnobody
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To: Crackingham

Shouldn't they be doing their own research into TORTURE BY SADDAM, et al.....???? Or is that just too "yesterday" for them. Or, how about the Sudan? Or, how about the recent torture chambers uncovered in IRAQ????? SHEESH.


4 posted on 06/23/2005 8:51:10 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Our military......the world's HEROES!)
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To: Crackingham

The US does not answer to the United Nations.


5 posted on 06/23/2005 8:51:25 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: USAfearsnobody

We should open Gitmo to them, just to prove that they are wrong in their allegations. It would also serve to smack Durbin in the mouth, when the truth comes out that Gitmo is more club med than anything else.


6 posted on 06/23/2005 8:51:53 PM PDT by awwyeah
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To: USAfearsnobody

It's the seriousness of the charge!
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Yeah, the old liberal mantra. The U.N. should be sprayed with cockroach poison, get rid of them. Send their remains to some remote place OFF of U.S. soil. The stench is just too much to bear.


7 posted on 06/23/2005 8:52:06 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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They had "reliable accounts" of Sadaam's torture chambers and yet they did nothing.

This is so rich


8 posted on 06/23/2005 8:52:13 PM PDT by Cosmo (Liberalism is for girls)
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To: Last Dakotan

They were already angry. Whats the big deal. Now they can actually get attention now. Geez this is getting ridiculous... I dont know to laugh or cry.


9 posted on 06/23/2005 8:52:41 PM PDT by newconhere
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To: awwyeah

We will never 'prove' anything to them.


10 posted on 06/23/2005 8:53:38 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: Crackingham

Okay, not to pick on the media (hahahahaha) but does the body of the story actually support the headline with any confirmation of "anger". I see regret mentioned, but not anger. I might have missed it.


11 posted on 06/23/2005 8:54:35 PM PDT by bobhoskins (...)
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To: Last Dakotan
Technically, we aren't answering to "four independent experts, who report to UN bodies." We shouldn't answer to the United Nations, but we are bound to. That's why the US should exit the UN!
12 posted on 06/23/2005 8:56:00 PM PDT by endthematrix (Thank you US armed forces, for everything you give and have given!)
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To: awwyeah
We should open Gitmo to them, just to prove that they are wrong in their allegations.

The camp has been opened to the Red Cross, who could find no violations. The UN should be told to check with the ICRC.

One nanny is enough...

13 posted on 06/23/2005 8:56:21 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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"We should open Gitmo to them..."

Yeah, and shut and lock the gate behind them! "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."

14 posted on 06/23/2005 8:58:59 PM PDT by endthematrix (Thank you US armed forces, for everything you give and have given!)
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To: USAfearsnobody
Aljazeera Star Dick Turbin

Senator Dick Durbin

15 posted on 06/23/2005 9:01:58 PM PDT by Daryl L.Hunter (The Eco-tally-ban must be stopped)
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"United Nations human rights experts.........

Talk about an oxymoron!!!

16 posted on 06/23/2005 9:03:53 PM PDT by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: Daryl L.Hunter

Has Dick apologized on Al-Jazeera yet?


17 posted on 06/23/2005 9:05:43 PM PDT by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: Crackingham
The experts' statement said: "We deeply regret that the government of the United States has still not invited us to visit those persons arrested, detained or tried on grounds of alleged terrorism or other violations."

I guess "bite me" is the most PC thing I can think of to say without getting banned. Hey "Experts"(sputter...gag...choke...) how about moseying over to Sudan & see what you can find. Better yet, why not visit some 3rd World Asian hellholes & see if any CHILDREN are involved in ANY activities that I, as a 37 year-old wouldn't even want to know EXISTS in this world!!!!!
18 posted on 06/23/2005 9:06:12 PM PDT by CO Gal (Liberals should be seen, but not heard..)
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United Nations human rights experts

Isn't it ironic that all the anti-war, anti-U.S. and liberal commentators are called "experts"? You would think that everyone who is opposed to the war on terror is an expert while those who support the war are just right-wing zealots.

19 posted on 06/23/2005 9:08:12 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: cookcounty
Has Dick apologized on Al-Jazeera yet?

I don't recall them asking for one!

20 posted on 06/23/2005 9:09:48 PM PDT by Daryl L.Hunter (The Eco-tally-ban must be stopped)
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