Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative
It seems Julia is also a photographer.
Photo by Julia Renfro. Our beauties on the beach are Moira and Gordi Prebble from England who were married on the beach at the Aruba Marriott ...
Yeah, what kind of parenting is that??
"Joran, my son, that is IT! We have HAD it! Last night you were out past 3 AM, never mind being questioned in a kidnapping and murder case! You are GROUNDED! Tonight you may only go to ONE casino, do you hear me? And we want you back here by 2:30 AM! IS THAT CLEAR??!"
Deepak and Joran = most contact with each other, including chatting online very early in the morning (sometime after 3:20 am)
Joran left on the beach with Natalee = 2 brothers went home (per David Kock - this is the story they have been sticking with for the last 10 days consistently)
Joran claimed he called Deepak to come pick him up (2:30 am and possibly as late as 2:40am) - but "records" show that this could not be since Joran later text messaged Deepak to tell him he made it home. So there is no "logical" reason for Joran to text message Deepak that he got home "if" Deepak came back to the beach and then drove Joran home. Police called Joran on this...
Joran was confronted with his lie because LE has records that Joran text messaged Deepak to tell him he made it home. So Joran changed his story again after being told that LE has the contents of the text message he sent Deepak. Joran's new story after he was caught again in a lie was that Satish that picked him up. (there is no proof that Satish did or did not pick Joran up. Satish is saying he did not go back and pick Joran up.)
The first cell phone call was made at around 2:30 am (possibly as late as 2:40am) the text message (I made it home) was sent to Deepak on his cell phone some 40 minutes later after the cell phone call. (both of these are on cell phone records) - There are no cell phone records after the late " I got home" text message between Joran, Satish and Deepak.
Satish (per his Lawyer) says the brothers drop Joran & Natalie off at about 1:50am, but before 2:00am (the lawyer did not say where during this interview)
There is no known communication between Satish and Joran after 1:50am. So I am assuming that Satish is saying he never went back to pick up Joran - his lawyer believes this - but Satish has no alibi or no way to prove he was at home asleep, unless Deepak is his alibi (we know his mom is not their alibi because she came home from work late and saw the bedroom doors closed to the boy's bedrooms and she did not look in on them.) and Deepak is saying that he never went back to pick up Joran. But I think LE has some sort of proof that Joran had a online conversation with Deepak after he text messaged Deepak the "I made it home message". (they have the computers - but maybe they are still retrieving the content of the online conversation from the ISP's)
I think that Deepak admits that he had a online conversation with Joran from listening to Satish's lawyer talk as he brings up briefly a online conversation between Joran and the other brother (Deepak), but not his client (Satish). Was this online conversation between Joran and Deepak asking that the brothers come over to the VDS property later in the day on Monday after he gets off school? (not enough to raise suspicion or prove anything for LE?). Is this when the father and 3 boys came up with the Holiday Inn and 2 black security guard story? (I remember something being leaked out from one of the brothers that they were around the VDS pool discussing the planning of the Holiday Inn and 2 black security story.).
Now who was at the VDS's home when the boys were around the pool? Was it just the 3 boys making up the lie and did the brothers think they were going to lie just to cover Joran arse so that his father didn't know he was out so late at night? (lie for me with this story so that my Dad does not now I was out until after 3:00 am on school night, it's bad enough that he found out I snuck out but if he finds out I was out past 3:00 am I will be in deeper trouble?)
OR was it Joran and PVDS there around the pool asking the brothers to make up this lie and didn't the brothers ask why they were being asked to lie for Joran? Were the brother told what actually happened to Natalee that night or were they told that Joran just left her on beach and now she is missing and it looks bad for all the 3 boys since she was last seen getting in Deepaks car with all 3 of them or were they just told "something bad happened" but that it was Joran fault so we need you 2 brothers to protect him and lie for him. Did PVDS tell the boys if they didn't lie then did he threaten "if Joran goes down you go down with him as neither of you have alibi that you went home that night and remember she was seen getting in your car Deepak with Satish and Joran?
This is why I wouldn't go to Aruba.
Yikes. Hard to read, obviously a non-native English speaker, but probably VERY true about Aruba and the lotharios out for sex who share their victims with others or the cops. Certainly when I lived in Europe everyone knew that European women went to the Caribbean for sex vacations.
This does not leave a lot of time on the beach with Natalee. Perhaps she passed out cold or died very quickly after they got there.
Who did take him home? Could he have walked home in 40 mins?
Could he have gotten home, told his father what happened (the poor Natalee dying of asphyxiation on vomit, or possibly another drug he had given her, or maybe even due to some rough treatment by Joran), and his father told him to stay home, that he would take care of this little problem and make sure it disappeared?
I tend to think that with no vehicle, Joran probably DID leave her at the beach. IF they really went to the beach.
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What time was it that Natalee's family met PVDS at home to find Juran? Didn't his father say he was at the casino, not at home around 3:00 am?
Somewhere around 2:00am to 3:00am Tuesday Morning (about 24 hours after the Deepaks claim they left her with Joran.)
Deepaks = Kalpoe's
Sorry for all my typo and poor grammer in my last few posts. Keeping this "stuff" straight and within the timeline we now have is difficult.
Like I said it is a nasty web for LE to work out at this point. (their fault) If they would have moved faster and not let the boys free this case would have been solved by now.
I say Joran killed her with his hands or by drugging her. I am back to thinking the brothers had no part in killing her and that they know very little of what happened after they left her with Joran. PVDS is in deep and he is part of the cover-up and is most likely the who disposed of her body.
The brothers lied for Joran because Joran's father probably had them convinced that he would take them down with Joran if Joran goes down. PVDS would know that Natalee was last seen with the 3 boys in Deepak's car and that they cannot prove they were at home (they have no alibi, since the mother works late at night and she does not look in on the boys when she comes home.)
I'd say Natalee is on the island somewhere and may even be on the VDS's property.
Goodnite all (that is if I can shut my brain off)
The Kalpoe's mother would know if Deepak's car was at home when she arrived home from work. I bet LE knows that if the car was there or not when she got home. If it was, but if she did not look in on the boys then she cannot be their alibi. I think LE may feel like the brothers did not help Joran, but that Joran told them what happened. I'd say the brothers go free on Tuesday next week and that they hold Joran and possible re-arrest Joran's father by then with the help of Mickey John's statement last night or some forensic results coming back from the VDS home or cars.
Here is are some thoughts that are really off the wall.
We know that PVDS spent a lot of time away from home. I wonder if they have any unsolved serial type murders in Holland or where ever he was spending his time at. To me the man is just strange all around - there is something very odd about him - he gave me the willies the first time I saw his picture on the internet and the odd feeling I have about him has just grown more and more.
Maybe Joran brought Natalee home some how because she was out cold and he put her in his apartment and then off to school he goes. Daddy decides to go into Joran's apartment for some reason and there she is out cold or is just waking up from her drug induced sleep. Daddy decides to take advantage of her while Joran is at school and she wakes up freaking out and Daddy kills her. - this VDS family is so off the wall that you just never know.
Thank you for the sobering link.
Maybe it might save a life or two.
But then again, wasn't Natalee warned of this by Jug?
They're going to do what they do.
ROFL!
I loved when Mickey Johns said the judicial minister and "the whole bunch of them should be FIRED, Fired all of them!!"
Greta said she was going to look at the other interviews with him because no one can remember him ever including PvdS in the HI lie alibi he heard from Deepak in jail. He may have said 'they' previously. I give him credit for having the guts to tell them all that they are idiots. He probably will need protection, and I wonder if he will be able to get a job there again.
I will be back much later this afternoon. Will someone ping me to the new thread please.
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Me too. I don't have much time before leaving today, but ping me if you find his blog. I don't think I missed one report when he went in with the Marines in Iraq!
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