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To: maggiefluffs; TexKat; All

Sorry for all my typo and poor grammer in my last few posts. Keeping this "stuff" straight and within the timeline we now have is difficult.

Like I said it is a nasty web for LE to work out at this point. (their fault) If they would have moved faster and not let the boys free this case would have been solved by now.

I say Joran killed her with his hands or by drugging her. I am back to thinking the brothers had no part in killing her and that they know very little of what happened after they left her with Joran. PVDS is in deep and he is part of the cover-up and is most likely the who disposed of her body.

The brothers lied for Joran because Joran's father probably had them convinced that he would take them down with Joran if Joran goes down. PVDS would know that Natalee was last seen with the 3 boys in Deepak's car and that they cannot prove they were at home (they have no alibi, since the mother works late at night and she does not look in on the boys when she comes home.)

I'd say Natalee is on the island somewhere and may even be on the VDS's property.


Goodnite all (that is if I can shut my brain off)


4,273 posted on 06/29/2005 1:55:36 AM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: maggiefluffs; TexKat; All

The Kalpoe's mother would know if Deepak's car was at home when she arrived home from work. I bet LE knows that if the car was there or not when she got home. If it was, but if she did not look in on the boys then she cannot be their alibi. I think LE may feel like the brothers did not help Joran, but that Joran told them what happened. I'd say the brothers go free on Tuesday next week and that they hold Joran and possible re-arrest Joran's father by then with the help of Mickey John's statement last night or some forensic results coming back from the VDS home or cars.


Here is are some thoughts that are really off the wall.

We know that PVDS spent a lot of time away from home. I wonder if they have any unsolved serial type murders in Holland or where ever he was spending his time at. To me the man is just strange all around - there is something very odd about him - he gave me the willies the first time I saw his picture on the internet and the odd feeling I have about him has just grown more and more.

Maybe Joran brought Natalee home some how because she was out cold and he put her in his apartment and then off to school he goes. Daddy decides to go into Joran's apartment for some reason and there she is out cold or is just waking up from her drug induced sleep. Daddy decides to take advantage of her while Joran is at school and she wakes up freaking out and Daddy kills her. - this VDS family is so off the wall that you just never know.


4,274 posted on 06/29/2005 2:19:14 AM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: brigette
I'd say Natalee is on the island somewhere and may even be on the VDS's property.

I agree with everything you said in your post...except the above.

I think that Natalee's body was taken off the beach and deposited out at sea. I believe this was arranged by PVDS, and this is the reason that JVDS and PVDS think they can ride this one out...knowing that the body will not be found.

4,282 posted on 06/29/2005 5:17:42 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: brigette
GREAT posts, brigitte. Your logic and 'detective work' is amazing! I've thought all along that the Kalpoes weren't present when Joran killed Natalee. My hunch is he did it either by an overdose of a date rape drug or during a possible struggle gone awry where her head could have hit a rock, coconut or something.

The timeline is interesting & I believe Joran called Deepak to come get him after Natalee was dead, asking for a ride. During their conversation and in a panic, Joran may have told Deepak that Natalee was dead trying to stress the urgency of his needing a ride home. Deepak could have freaked out and refused to pick Joran up unless he couldn't get home any other way.

Either Joran had to walk home, get another ride or call his dad. If he called his dad to come get him, there would be a phone record, so this is still a big question.

Joran had to do something with Natalee's body before going home to tell his dad and get his help. Was there any shrubery he could have hidden her body in around the beach?

After Joran told his dad about Natalee, they had to go back to the beach and retrieve her body. Afterwards, they probably went back to their house in order to sort things out and plan what to do with Natalee's body. It's very logical that Natalee could be buried on their property. Afterall, getting out of their "compound" and driving around with a dead body and disposing it is very risky.

That brings me to the next question. Who can give the Equisearch team permission to search the VDS property with cadaver dogs? I'm shocked this wasn't done on the first day the dogs got to Aruba!.

When the Kalpoes were summoned over to the VDS to get their fake alibi orders, I guarantee you PVDS scared them to death and made them stick to the lie or they'd go down for Natalee's murder since they were also seen last with her.

I think the brothers know more than they are saying though. Joran has a big mouth and surely he at least told his friend, Deepak, how Natalee died. I doubt, however, that either of the Kalpoes knows where her body is.

4,300 posted on 06/29/2005 6:58:19 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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