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Future Clash (A 'South Park conservative'/libertarian counterculture emerges)
The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette ^ | June 23, 2005 | Bradley R. Gitz

Posted on 06/23/2005 9:51:17 AM PDT by quidnunc

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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

If you use the power of law to enforce the norms which are encouraged from the pulpit, the pulpit becomes superfluous, and the adherence to the norm becomes something far less than an act of faith.


41 posted on 06/23/2005 10:46:23 AM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: Mulch

I am actually quite heterosexual. Actually it isn't forcing my morality on others, because I am not denying or criminalizing, therby violating the rights of another American.

I do not support the war on drugs, and if there was an active war on alcohol, I would not support it either, this is not forcing my morality on others, it is allowing them freedom.

The government shouldn't bee endorcing homosexuality or heterosexuality, it does not need to be in a citizens private affairs, and a contract between adult individuals, is that a contract.


42 posted on 06/23/2005 10:47:14 AM PDT by America First Libertarian (America for Americans)
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To: Mulch

I don't care what consenting adults do behind closed doors on private property which they own. I have a problem with Pride Parades, for example, but not the homosexual act. And that doesn't make me gay, Mulch.

Saying "all homosexuals should be loved and no negative comments can be made" is enforcing morality on you. Saying that they have the right to screw behind closed doors in not enforcing MY morality on you. In a public place, they should be jailed, just like straight people. Because, really, who wants to see that when you're buying a new car...


43 posted on 06/23/2005 10:48:00 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: subterfuge
You took that part of the sentence out of context, look at the second half "as long as they are not initiating force against another American," Stealing, rape and murder, are not voluntary contracts and are initiations of force.
44 posted on 06/23/2005 10:49:39 AM PDT by America First Libertarian (America for Americans)
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To: Mulch

Homosexulaity is perverse.


45 posted on 06/23/2005 10:50:00 AM PDT by brivette
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To: LizardQueen; All

I for one would join that party..


46 posted on 06/23/2005 10:52:04 AM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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To: Mulch
Do you think the homosexual act is sexually perverted?

When it's dudes, yes. When it's chicks, no.

47 posted on 06/23/2005 10:53:04 AM PDT by jmc813 (All I cared about was booze, stock cars and women.)
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To: quidnunc

yanno, as a "south park conservative" i think the biggest thing is that we SPCs are more interested in the BIG issues at hand. i'm sorry, when we have an entire culture trying to wipe ours out, it is not the time to talk about gay marriage, abortion, gays in the military, flag burning, giving cities the right to seize property, etc. we should be standing together, calling the citizens to arms, closing the borders and getting ready for war.


48 posted on 06/23/2005 10:53:44 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: brivette
Homosexulaity is perverse.

And, according to what I have been told by queers I have known, it's quite painful if you have a small mouth or a small, uh, small, hmm, well you get the idea.....

50 posted on 06/23/2005 10:56:09 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Get all the incumbents out of politics!)
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To: jmc813
When it's chicks, no.

When it's more than two chicks, even better. You know, if they're hot. And maybe they'll let me join in. :)

51 posted on 06/23/2005 10:58:21 AM PDT by bobhoskins
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To: LizardQueen
I know quite a few Dems who aren't on the bleeding-heart Liberal bandwagon but vote Dem because of their stance on social issues and because they don't like the perceived moral instrusiveness of the Christian conservative wing.


52 posted on 06/23/2005 11:00:07 AM PDT by frithguild (Defining hypocrisy - Liberals fear liberty.)
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To: Mulch

I'm not sure what logic you are trying to use, but you don't have to find an act perverse, or not perverse. I am not a drug addict, however I don't care if someone wants to get high. It is not enforcing morality upon anyone, is someone forbidding you from entering a contract? No. No morality is being legislated, just equal rights. If you were forced to be gay, then that is enfocing morality.


53 posted on 06/23/2005 11:00:09 AM PDT by America First Libertarian (America for Americans)
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To: Mulch
If you don't think the homosexual act is perverted then by definition you're a homosexual.

Don't consider this me taking a side, please please post a link to this definition of homosexual.

Or clrify your statement to something other than "by definition", such as "by proxy", or something.

54 posted on 06/23/2005 11:00:21 AM PDT by bobhoskins
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To: America First Libertarian
The question wasn't "Do you care..?". The question was "do you think the act is perverted..?"

You want to try to answer the question again?
55 posted on 06/23/2005 11:02:55 AM PDT by Mulch (tm)
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To: America First Libertarian
I read down a little and see that you don't want the government endorsing hetero or homo sexuality. But there is a clear rational for the government endorsing one and not the other. If you cannot see this, perhaps your blinded by feeling of kindness toward your homosexual friends. Note that I don't mind your friends being openly homosexual with you. I just don't want them being openly homosexual with society as a whole.

What I really don't want to see is a society endorsing the "anything goes" attitude that somehow sexual preference is a protected Civil right. I don't buy that there is an analogy with interracial marriage. What society has moved to the "progressive" position of free homosexual - transgender -- man boy -- Etc relationships? How can you be so sure you would like living in such a society here in this day and age? I don't doubt that society could give a license to any behavior they wish, including but not limited to PDAs, rape and murder. But we have a social need to have some rules. (This is really the origin of the Old Testament treatement of homosexual behavior.)

What bothers me is a small group of societies members raise a "freedom and civil rights issue" when one really does not exist and claims that the rest of us will really like the new society when they acheive it.

And as for marriage rights, the only right being sought is financial. The right to be declared a dependent and share in medical and pension benefits. All other aspects, like consulting in medical treatements can and have been covered by contracts. Give someone your Power of Attorney and you will see what I mean. That you don't see this is evidence of a lack of research, or worse (you have the same agenda and have not yet admitted it.)

56 posted on 06/23/2005 11:03:17 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Mulch

Not thinking homosexuality is pervese makes one a homosexual? Wow. What an incredible leap in logic.


57 posted on 06/23/2005 11:03:41 AM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: America First Libertarian

In regards to your last point. I dont see the homosexual marriage thing anywhere near the interracial thing. Regardless of race they were still heterosexual. Homosexual marriages cannot say that.

Set up the legal framework for gay couples, dont call it marriage. Marriage is a religious connotation. Call it whatever the heck you want but dont call it marriage. In that vein, states should get out of the business of issuing marriage licenses and instead issue a document showing legality of the "contract" Let the churches issue the marriage papers.

And thanks for the South Park ping!


58 posted on 06/23/2005 11:03:49 AM PDT by USAFJeeper
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To: KC_for_Freedom

excellent!


59 posted on 06/23/2005 11:04:27 AM PDT by riri
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To: brivette
Homosexulaity is perverse.

So is stupidity.

60 posted on 06/23/2005 11:04:48 AM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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