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Future Clash (A 'South Park conservative'/libertarian counterculture emerges)
The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette ^ | June 23, 2005 | Bradley R. Gitz

Posted on 06/23/2005 9:51:17 AM PDT by quidnunc

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To: LibertarianInExile
It hasn't yet.

That's the whole point. The MSM template for stories such as this is that the Republican party will be/is torn asunder.

The R party has been playing for the middle as the Democrat party shrinks. As a strategy, this is more effective than acheiving organic growth by creating more conservatives - libertarian, evanglical or otherwise. That is the business of other social institutions. Only when the middle become less important because of greater dominance will the ideas of the base stand a chance of being implemented.

The SCOTUS needs to be reshaped - commerce power needs to be trimmed back, the penumbra needs to be surgically excised, etc., etc. You won't get judges appointed wit the will to do that until you have a solid 60 Senators. Once you restore reasonable constitutional limits on federal power, federal spending will of necesity decrease.

But hey - Rome wasn't built in a day.

161 posted on 06/23/2005 3:39:58 PM PDT by frithguild (Defining hypocrisy - Liberals fear liberty.)
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To: Alexander Rubin
I'm in Canada, sausageseller, so I'm in even worse off in that respect. Hate crime laws, HUGE taxes, etc. I have a beer at a BBQ now and then, and sometimes wine with dinner. I am not going to stop drinking in moderation because there is a wino on the street who can't control himself. Would you?

Yes I have! I will not help the alcohol companies profit off of others misery. All the problems associated with alcohol should be thrown on those that profit from it. The drunks should be put at alcohol companies execs doorsteps. Let them deal with the vomit and piss! Let their wives and children be killed by the drunk drivers. Let them not only have the profit let them have the problems too!

The abuse of Freedoms is what some morons are willing to justify!

The libertarian social ideas will lead to a society "built around the stupidest, most immoral, most perverse, most irrational, most illogical, most shortsighted, most sensitive member. "

That is a culture war we're losing.

And the idea that total freedom will somehow lead to winning a culture war is not possible.

. We should be educating people to do things in moderation and within reason, not banning them from doing so

Who is to say what is moderate ?

Just how much LSD is moderate?

How much crank or crack is moderate?

The way to save "America freedoms and rights" is to know that there has to be a balance , a medium ,if you will. Having no drug laws will not help my nation. Having no "speech limiting" laws will not help my nation. Reasonable laws with reasonable application will.

BTW I use to go fishing near Kanora every year. I miss it!

162 posted on 06/23/2005 3:54:17 PM PDT by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: frithguild

Sorry--I missed your 'template' reference. Now I gotcha.

Republicans are divided over the issue of ______. The party is torn apart over ______, with one side advocating _____ and the other strongly believing ______. The ____ wing is more represented and highly activist, while the _______ wing is demoralized by recent actions in the Republican Congress and seems less likely to vote Republican in the future as a result.

It's like Mad Libs. Only it's short for "Mad Liberals."


163 posted on 06/23/2005 3:54:59 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: bobhoskins
But, by the same standard, so is ANY sexual act that has no chance of resulting in pregnancy. or any sex for that matter.

Old people sex is gross.

As an "old people" member, I participate in old people sex with my "old people" member wife. I guess that makes us both homosexual by the criteria in this thread.

164 posted on 06/23/2005 3:57:44 PM PDT by Mushinronshasan
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To: Mushinronshasan
Your my hero!

I hope I can get old just like you!

165 posted on 06/23/2005 4:08:36 PM PDT by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: Dane

What about a heterosexual who is has multiple partners and maybe spreading disease to his partners and society as a whole? Should he (or she) be arrested? Cohabitation used to be against the law.


166 posted on 06/23/2005 5:12:42 PM PDT by Purple GOPer (If it wasn't fun, people wouldn't call it a sin.)
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To: Dane

Plenty of heteros have multiple partners too. Going to legislate that?


167 posted on 06/23/2005 5:14:50 PM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: sausageseller

Fatties don't bother me. I was using your socialist policy of looking out for the good of society.


168 posted on 06/23/2005 5:15:49 PM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: LibertarianInExile
The GOP's solution, one that's worked so far, seems to be avoiding doing much of anything for social conservatives

Yes, that's why they are all going 3rd party next time (repeat as needed). < /sarc>

169 posted on 06/23/2005 5:17:02 PM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: Dane

I am surprised you aren't a Libertarian. They are pro-open borders like yourself.


170 posted on 06/23/2005 5:24:16 PM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: Alexander Rubin
Hitler was a vegetarian because he hated to see animals hurt. He loved children, and was heterosexual

According to the book The Pink Swastika Hitler was a homo.

171 posted on 06/23/2005 5:24:36 PM PDT by MRMEAN ("On the Internet nobody knows that you're a dog")
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To: k2blader
Your post brought to mind the fact that it is impossible to be conservative when one is socially liberal.

Interesting. What are the parameters of "conservative" and "socially liberal" that make them mutually exclusive?

172 posted on 06/23/2005 5:25:17 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: k2blader; All

No, however, I don't think that the Government has any business telling people who they should have sex with.. Just as long it is with a consentng adults I don't think that the government should be involved at all.


173 posted on 06/23/2005 5:38:21 PM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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To: Bella_Bru; Purple GOPer
Plenty of heteros have multiple partners too. Going to legislate that?

Well gee, call me the next time there is an adultury pride parade.

That said it is well known fact that homosexual men have many more partners than heterosexual men. There is a reason AIDS showed up first amongst homosexuals.

And who said anything about legislating, it seems you would like to go to the Canadian route and legislate that there cannot be any discussion or criticism of the homosexual lifestyle(deathstyle).

174 posted on 06/23/2005 5:39:45 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane
it seems you would like to go to the Canadian route and legislate that there cannot be any discussion or criticism of the homosexual lifestyle(deathstyle).

No I am not the one on these boards who is opposed to criticising anyone with R next to their name like some.

I'd like to see some completely independent studies, not ones down by either left or right organizations. That's pretty impossible though. Both liberal and conservative groups skew studies to give themselves the results they want.

175 posted on 06/23/2005 5:46:29 PM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: Bella_Bru

LOL BUMP.


176 posted on 06/23/2005 5:46:44 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (<-- sick of faux-conservatives who want federal government intervention for 'conservative things.')
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To: Bella_Bru
I'd like to see some completely independent studies, not ones down by either left or right organizations. That's pretty impossible though. Both liberal and conservative groups skew studies to give themselves the results they want

Well there is one study that is completly independent and based on facts and that is the vast majority of the AIDS/HIV cases in the US are either homosexual men or IV drug users.

Two behaviors that Libertarians think cause no harm.

177 posted on 06/23/2005 5:51:17 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Bella_Bru
I am surprised you aren't a Libertarian. They are pro-open borders like yourself

Contrary to your snide remark, I am not for open borders.

178 posted on 06/23/2005 5:52:36 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

Lowered rates of HIV in heteros does not mean fewer partners.


179 posted on 06/23/2005 5:52:41 PM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: Bella_Bru
Lowered rates of HIV in heteros does not mean fewer partners.

Whatever, but every researcher will tell you that homosexual men have a lot more partners than heterosexual men. The homosexual "lifestyle" revels in promiscuity.

180 posted on 06/23/2005 6:04:35 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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